Talk:Bottom (TV series)

A connection between Eddie Hitler & comedian Eddie Meduza's E Hitler?

Is there some connection between Eddie Hitler and the Swedish comedian Eddie Meduza's character E Hitler from the 1970s, or is it just a coincidence? The Swedish E Hitler was also (sadly), an alcoholic. A google translation from Swedish wikipedia:

https://sv-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Eddie_Meduza?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp#E._Hitler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.194.117.40 (talk) 01:35, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Untitled

Just a question, but on the Bottom Series Two DVD, it says that Holy is the uncensored version. I take it that when originally shown, the BBC had to cut out the section where Richie's finger is sliced off - or is it when Richie is being hanged by the rope during the opening segment? KatsuyaJounouchi 15:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I seem to recall the subplot of the painting wasn't in the broadcast version, which I'm guessing was cut for time reasons The Pacifist 16:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

" 's Out - never aired"

Dispute. It definitely appeared on UK Gold and I seem to recall it was shown on the BBC a year or two late for somereasonorother Lee M 01:22, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

yes, it was shown on BBC as thats where i watched it -t ali 1/3/6

Why is there a need to mention the Dutch VPRO? The BBC funded and aired it originally and they're not mentioned... DamienG 01:32, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

I don't think there is a good reason.--Crestville 15:16, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

names

In Guest House Paradiso, their last names are different. Well, Eddie's definitely is, I'm not sure if Richie's is mentioned. Probably more something for the article on the film when it gets written.

Richies name most certainly was mentioned. It was "Twat". That was, like, the running joke in the film, 'cause he keeps trying to get folk to pronounce it "Thwait". Eddies is mentioned in the breakfasat scene, but it's practically fucking unpronouncable.--Crestville 15:16, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Richard's name is "Richard Twat" in the film; Eddie's is Eddie Elizabeth Ndingombaba.--taiq

The reason for this is likely to be copyright. I would guess that Rik & Ade would need the BBC's permission to use the Bottom chatacters and setting in a film.DavidFarmbrough 17:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

If you watch Bottom 3: Hooligan's Island, it explains that they had to 'do a runner' after they were caught on Ecsatcy. The program in the DVD case credits Adrian Edmondson as 'Eddie Elizabeth Ndingombaba' and Rik Mayall as 'Richie Twat'. Maybe they had to change their names? And in response to the BBC's involvement in the changing of the names, Bottom 3 was filmed with BBC money. Strangly enough, in Bottom Live 2003 (The last one), Richies name is Richard Richards again. Continuty error huh? Treen

Git

Why, in the description of Richie as a "self-obsessed, perverted, wittering git", does git link to Jeffrey Archer? (Apart from the obvious.) Kinitawowi 16:40, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)

It's removed now. -Wikibob | Talk 23:43, 2004 Nov 2 (UTC)

Several details

Here are some things I think should be changed:

"Bottom was a British sitcom" -- it still is!

• Nah, it's not being made anymore

"candles shoved in eyes" -- I can't remember this.

• It's in the film

"penises set on fire" -- I'd argue that it's just the crotch area, not the penis specifically.

• Richie refers to the dangers posed by a fire as he is "so well hung". I've never heard of anyone bragging about having a well hung "crotch".

A number of the mentioned acts of violence only happen once, and shouldn't be plural.

• Change it then

"can play chess (and spends 6 hours trying" -- I remember it as longer.

• Change it then

"he knows a fair amount about Napoleon and Wellington" -- only a few well-known facts are mentioned, that's not a "fair amount".

• I think that's a fair amount, not exessive, but not ignorant like richie

"appears well versed in the works of Vivaldi" -- because he recognises Vivaldi's most famous piece?

• Compared to the rest of the characters encountered in bottom, yeah, it is.

"Richie's Auntie is very rich and dies in one episode" -- to be completely pedantic about it, she actually dies _before_ the episode...

• Yeah, that is overly pedantic

"Adolf Hitler (the real one, not Eddie's mother)" -- we don't for sure know whether Eddie's mother actually was the real one. Stranger thing have happened! (in Bottom)

• I don't know whether a man giving birth some 10 years after his death is possable even in this reality, but I would like to think it was. Only problem is, try explaining it to someone who's never seen the show.

"Richie's sister lives near Hammersmith and apparently looks just like Richie." -- but has smaller breasts.

• What's you point?

"Eddie or other people refering to his last name, Hitler, usually asking if he is related to Adolf Hitler. Which usually causes confusion as Eddie's mother is called Adolf Hitler." -- I can only remember this happening once.

• Nah, it happened on a few occasions.

"Richie being very patriotic, usually invoving him saying 'We are English after all'" -- how often does this happen? Once or twice perhaps, not "in most episodes".

• THEN CHANGE IT.

"Eddie looking at the audience when Richie is talking complete rubbish." -- I can't remember this happening at all. It's rare that either of them break the fourth wall, and I don't think it ever happens as described here.

• Bollocks! That happens a lot! Honsetly, just take a look

"Richie making fun of Eddie's favourite football team Queens Park Rangers (QPR)." -- Where does this happen?

• I remember a few occasions of this

"as they often forget their lines and have to ad-lib" -- I've heard it claimed that these ad libs are the same every evening though... Niels E

• No comment

Most of these points do not regard things I've written, but never the less, I think they should stand, and if something is so obviously wrong, you don't need to consult the talk page about it, you can just change it.--Crestville 22:28, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Eddie does not confirm that he is related to Adolf Hittler or he being his mum. He states his names as Eddie Hittle, he is then asked "Any relation" his confused reply is "I have a mother". i.e. his answer is merely confirming that he has a mother and not that she, or he is a relation to Adolf Hittle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.221.202.221 (talk) 22:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

You left off the last two lines... the lines that prove you wrong.

Name? Eddie Hitler. Any relation? Well ive got a mum. No, any relation to Adolph Hitler. Yes, thats her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.236.57.130 (talk) 09:40, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

re: Small details

I erased three items from the list of "things that crop up in most episodes", including "Richie making fun of Queen's Park Rangers" (only happened once) and Richie being patriotic (only happened two or three times). That is not true, Richie CONSTANTLY discusses how great Britain and the British are, how proud he is to be British, how they are superior to everyone else, and even forces Eddie to bow to the television when royalty is on! Richie is most definately patriotic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.221.230 (talk) 10:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

What's the copyright situation regarding still shots from a TV show? The two images in this article are really quite terrible and I'd like to replace them with a shot from the live show, and a shot from the TV series. Taiq 11:44, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Rik Mayall's book

Is it worth mentioning Rik Mayall's book? Apparently much of it is written in the character of Richard Richard.

Could probably be mentioned, but should feature under Rik Mayall, as it's his book. And yes, it's written as if it were Richie who wrote it... Bjelleklang - talk 10:41, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Restructuring

Is it just me, or does it look like this article could need to be restructured? Unless anyone disagree, I'd like to divide it somewhat up, into the following:

• About the characters
• About the series
• Guest House Paradiso
• The live shows, with a brief summary of the "plot" from each

Other opinions? Bjelleklang - talk 10:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Seems worth doing. The page is currently a little haphazard. IainP (talk) 11:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'll create a temporary copy at User:Bjelleklang/Bottom (television) to see what I can come up with. Feel free to edit... 12:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Will add a short plot summary for each of the live shows sometime soon. Will also see if I can extend Guest House Paradiso somewhat. Bjelleklang - talk 14:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I've edited the part about the Bottom film

I've edited the opening paragraph where it reads "and later a series of stage shows and a film" to remove the film reference, as it wasn't actually the Bottom film (the title and the characters' names being two major differences from Bottom).

Come on, it certainly WAS a Bottom film. The characters surnames and the setting was changed, true, but the first names (which is all they were ever really called) and their apperances (Eddie's in aprticular) were unchanged. And the setting was changed in the 1997 and 2001 stage shows as well as a few of the episodes (e.g. "Hole"), it was still Bottom. Plus, I remeber is being advertised as "The Bottom Movie" on the DVD case and as "They're Back" on the cinema posters. I agree some distinction should be made from the series though.--Crestville 13:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Richie Richards and Edward Hitler deserver their own WIKI pages

I truly feel that bio pages for both Richie Richards and Edward Hitler should be made for this site. However, I am not the person to do that. Not only do I not have the right to do so, since I am just a contributor and not a registered user, I do not have the knowledge of the two characters that I'm sure others are just filled with. So please, if you are a registered user and knows a lot about Richie or Edward, please make their own bio pages for WIKI. If BIO pages can be made for Amanda Krueger and Barney Gumble (just type there names in the search bar), then the Hammersmith Hardmen deserve one too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.44.152 (talk • contribs)

The benefits of becoming a registered user are outlined here.
On joining, you could then make a start on both pages, which would no doubt be added to by other users. Happy editing!
Gardener of Geda 16:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Do they really need their own pags though? I mean, they are intrinsic to the show and cannot be removed from it, in the way, say, Homer Simpson can. Also, giving them their own pages would mean separating them which would be awkward as they are so closely linked.--Crestville 16:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree - I think any biographical additions should be kept in this article, but 71.195.44.152 thinks otherwise. Should he get him/herself a registration, he/she can do so if he/she wants.
Gardener of Geda 17:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

i Agree - what are the reasons that they don't have their pages? Other sitcom/comedy series character's tend to do so... don't they?--Baston1975 23:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The reasons that they don't have their own pages? Because you haven't written them yet.
Gardener of Geda 19:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Restructuring (June 2007)

I've done some minor restructuring of the "Bottom (TV series)" category - I've added the rest of the pages for individual episodes (about half a dozen were missing), and having done so I felt it was best to move any and all notes concerning a particular episode to its own page.

Note, however, that after writing the 'plot' section for "Holy" (which came out far too long) I didn't bother writing the plot for other episodes I created the page for.

It's probably also about time the live shows and Guest House Paradiso had a serious attempt at being written up.

Also, wondering if it'd be prudent to add a brief timelime to illustrate with greater ease when each series / live show / film happened with relation to each other?

Basically:

• 1991: Series one
• 1992: Series two
• 1993: Bottom Live
• 1994: Series three (aired early 1995)
• 1995: Bottom Live: The Big Number Two Tour
• 1997: Bottom Live 3: Hooligan's Island
• 1999: Guest House Paradiso
• 2001: Bottom Live 2001: An Arse Oddity
• 2003: Bottom Live 2003: Weapons Grade Y-Fronts Tour

Not that Bottom has much coherent continuity for this to be even remotely important...

Ronstar308 05:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Studio or studios used for recording?

Wouldn't it be worthwhile mentioning in this article the studio or studios used for recording the TV series of Bottom especially as the entire series was filmed inside studios as opposed to on location except for the title sequence. I guess it was BBC Television Centre that was used unless someone else knows better? --Wrh1973 (talk) 22:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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Microscopic penis?

It says in the article that Richie has a microscopic penis that he mistakes for his only pube. Where exactly do they mention the pube part? I know Eddie jokes about Richie having a microscopic penis in the series, but he actually just has a really small one, and I've never heard any jokes about mistaking it for a pube. Source, please? Theswillman (talk) 23:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Can't think of the exact episodes, but he does on at least 3 occasions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.1 (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

in bottom live 1 when he super glues the doll to his penis and he thinks eddie has cut it off, later he says it was "hiding behind that pube".

richies hat

what type of hat does richie wear in hooligans island ?. Helicopter tours (talk) 13:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Stage Shows / Live Shows

Is there any reason why this article has sections about the Stage Shows and the The Live Shows, when they are referring to the same thing?

Eugenespeed (talk) 13:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Too long!

This information needs condensing or a new page created for the characters. At the moment it's just too long!Edito*Magica (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

i love bootom its great —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.41.14 (talk) 17:10, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The bottom and bottom characters page should not be merged. There were many charcaters in bottom therefore I believe a summary of each is required —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.17.147 (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

The merge template for List of characters in Bottom was added in October 2008 - it's managed to generate two comments, not counting the IP entry. Unless anything happens in the meantime, I'll be removing the template on 11/02/10. a_man_alone (talk) 16:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd forgotten about this, but as no dissent - or any opinion generated at all - template removed. a_man_alone (talk) 19:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Name of 's Up and 's Out

The names of these two pages are up for discussion at Talk:'S Out. Interplanet Janet (talk) 10:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

series 4

someone has updated the page saying rumours of s4 were thrown around... i googled and nothing of these rumours came up not to mention adrian said he has quit comedy for now a few months ago can anyone link to these rumours as bottom is one of my fave shows and i dont want this to turn out being a sick joke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.131.107.209 (talk) 11:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

It is probably false, I will leave it up there for a week or so, and if no cititation is forthcoming, I will remove the line. But I am highly skepitcal.--Welshsocialist (talk) 23:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

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A flat bottom...

Hi Jim.

Just a quick word about house/flat in Bottom - whilst you're correct that there are stairs, these are just used to get to the flat. They live above Mr Harrison's newsagent, as seen in the 'S Up episode.

There are also numerous references to the flat, especially in the Beauty contest episode, where Ritchie states that his Aunty Mabel owns the flat. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

It can't be the case that the stairs just go th their flat, because there are episodes in which they go from their downstairs, where the lounge/dining room/kitchen is downstairs, then go upstairs, where the bedrooms are. For example, in Burglary, they go from their downstairs room to their upstairs floor, then go back down to confront the burglar. There is definitely a downstairs - where most of the show is set - as well as an upstairs - where the bedrooms are. A floor below them would surely still make it a house because they live on two floors. Here's Richie pulling Eddie by rope from their downstairs to their upstairs from 5m 30. At 12m 30, they try to get into their loft, then Richie falls downstairs and Eddie comes down the stairs where they confront the burglar downstairs. Both floors are clearly part of their house, with no other occupants. Jim Michael (talk) 23:35, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Nevertheless they live above a shop, which by definition means they live in a flat. I concede that there may well be additional floors to their own part of the building, but as they are in a self-contained unit within a building they are in a flat. As per WP:BRD I've reverted you again, and please carry on the discussion before you insert your preferred version again, thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 06:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Incidentally, they do share living space - they have a psychotic neighbour, whom they steal gas from - and here are a few sources that refer to them living in a flat:

• TVTropes[1]
• BBC[2]
• The Guardian[3]

Chaheel Riens (talk) 06:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Their neighbour doesn't live in the same building, he lives next door. Eddie & Richie break through the wall with a sledgehammer in Gas to get in there.

It doesn't seem to fit the definition in the link above, as that section is about scissor section flats, which their's isn't.

Some sources refer to it as a flat, probably because the upstairs isn't featured in most episodes.

This discussion should be on Talk:Bottom (TV series), but I don't know how to move it there. Jim Michael (talk) 07:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

The link states "The vast majority of apartments are on one level, hence "flat". Some, however, have two storeys, joined internally by stairs, just as many houses do." Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

References