Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Motorväg
This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was do something with this that doesn't involve deletion (no consensus). Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Motorväg[edit]
Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Simply a direct Swedish translation of motorway/highway which already has an extensive article at motorväg. It's use is in no way notable outside of Sweden in the way Autobahn or Autostrada is and already has an appropriate article. The Swedish highways do not differ markedly from the average European highways and the term is never used as free-standing concept in Swedish or as an official term for the national highway system; use and meaning is basically identical to that of "motorway/highway". Peter Isotalo 19:20, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
Redirect to Motorway. Thryduulf 23:02, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]- Uncle G has persuaded me - merge into Transportation in Sweden and redirect there or to Motorway. Thryduulf 16:22, 29 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. --Carnildo 23:34, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Title your pages using the English name, if one exists...
Only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form.
...for example Sverige could be a redirect to Sweden.
— Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English).The English name of these things appears to be Motorway. Merge to Transportation in Sweden and Redirect to Motorway. Uncle G 02:01, 2005 May 27 (UTC)
- Move to Motorways in Scandinavia or the like. This article specifically talks about motorways in that region. --SPUI (talk) 03:07, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If this article must be deleted, moved or rederected to Motorway, you should do the same with the articles Autobahn, Autostrada, Autoroute and Autoput, because thats the same situation. /E70 04:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't comment on Autoroute and Autoput, but Autobahn and Autostrada are very notable concepts even outside of Germany and Italy. As far as I know, they are also used almost as a proper nouns; they are a concept in of themselves and are used to describe the road network in its entirety (as far as I know). Motorväg remains just a simple translation of "motorway", rendering it encyclopedic. :--Peter Isotalo 14:26, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
- Just from a glance at Autoput it looks no more notable than Motorväg and IMO should be treated the same way. Autoroute and Autostrada are more debatable in my view, and Autobahn is a veritable institution. More generally -- at risk of digressing from the VFD debate -- how much depth is appropriate in Wikipedia documentation of national road systems? If Sweden's national road system were as aggressively documented as California's state routes, would Motorväg become legitimate? And if so, then isn't deleting it an example of geographical bias? I'm just a novice Wikipedian with a bunch of questions -- forgive me if I'm stepping out of line here. -- PhilipR 20:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Hence my vote to move, but keep the content. I feel it is very reasonable to cover any numbered highway. --SPUI (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, then you've sold me. In re: Motorways in Scandinavia, how did Sweden get lumped in with Denmark here? Is Motorväg specifically a Swedish word? I think it would be preferable to document each country separately, e.g. Motorways in Sweden, Motorways in Denmark. - PhilipR 21:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Just a slight nudge; it should be motorways of Sweden if it's to be on a national basis. But I must point out that many Swedish motorways are a part of a much larger European network of motorways that all have the designation EXX. These things run through all of Europe, and I think some of them even go all the way into non-Turkish Asia. See European route E18 for a good example. / Peter Isotalo 06:41, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
- Again, I point to Transportation in Sweden with its Road Traffic section waiting for something about motorways. Uncle G 13:03, 2005 May 29 (UTC)
- Ah, then you've sold me. In re: Motorways in Scandinavia, how did Sweden get lumped in with Denmark here? Is Motorväg specifically a Swedish word? I think it would be preferable to document each country separately, e.g. Motorways in Sweden, Motorways in Denmark. - PhilipR 21:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Hence my vote to move, but keep the content. I feel it is very reasonable to cover any numbered highway. --SPUI (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Just from a glance at Autoput it looks no more notable than Motorväg and IMO should be treated the same way. Autoroute and Autostrada are more debatable in my view, and Autobahn is a veritable institution. More generally -- at risk of digressing from the VFD debate -- how much depth is appropriate in Wikipedia documentation of national road systems? If Sweden's national road system were as aggressively documented as California's state routes, would Motorväg become legitimate? And if so, then isn't deleting it an example of geographical bias? I'm just a novice Wikipedian with a bunch of questions -- forgive me if I'm stepping out of line here. -- PhilipR 20:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Autoput is not related to this discussion. Other than the other articles, it's not a type of road, it's a particular motorway which is notorious even outside the former Yugoslavia.Martg76 22:53, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't comment on Autoroute and Autoput, but Autobahn and Autostrada are very notable concepts even outside of Germany and Italy. As far as I know, they are also used almost as a proper nouns; they are a concept in of themselves and are used to describe the road network in its entirety (as far as I know). Motorväg remains just a simple translation of "motorway", rendering it encyclopedic. :--Peter Isotalo 14:26, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
- Move per above; desination to be determined. - PhilipR 21:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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