Talk:Voodoo (D'Angelo album)

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Good articleVoodoo (D'Angelo album) has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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September 4, 2008Good article nomineeListed

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Voodoo (album)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hi, I will be reviewing your article. Looking it over, it looks very good except for one problem: I think there are too many quotes, expecially long ones. I believe there is a rule that a quote should not be over three or so lines to avoid copyright issues. I will be adding more comments. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • You could paraphrase some of them, and resist the temptation to put so many quotes in the paragraphs also. I know you have the ability to put much of this in your own words. Otherwise, the article is well organized, well written, and well referenced. A good article.
  • I don't think you can justify three fair use images, even though they are album covers, as they are all of the same album.

I limited the quotes. All of them are now three lines long or shorter. Dan56 (talk) 03:20, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are still too many quotes and too long ones. For example:
  • The second quote is four and one half lines long and is followed in the next sentence by another quote: "According to D'Angelo, the album was named Voodoo because 'the myriad influences found on it can be traced through the blues and back deeper in history through songs sung–in religious [voodoo] ceremonies.'"
  • As to the first quote mentioned above, most of it is obvious (that a song writer is motivated) and such influences as the birth of his son do not have to be quoted but could be described by you. The second quote does not explain the "myriad of influences" that resulted in the album being named Voodoo. The relationship between voodoo and the album is really only touched on by mentioning other genres. What are voodoo songs like?
  • Under Production when you say "time" do you mean meter? The way you use the word in the paragraph is very jargonish. You want to be clear to the average reader who may not be familiar with the subject.
  • "this style of drumming is its adherence to human timing" - does this mean that tracks were mostly programmed mechanically or exactly, so that they were not sloppy like human drumming?
  • Why is "co-pilot" in quotes?
  • "It was written in, D'Angelo's son, Michael's honor." How about, It was written in honor of D'Angelo's son, Michael.
  • "By the time of its release, five of the album's tracks had already or would later be released as singles." This sentence is contradictory. It reads: "By the time of its release, five of the album's tracks would later be released as singles." The "later" did not happen "by the time of its release".
  • "Many of D'Angelo's peers have noted the success of Voodoo, the music video for "Untitled", and "The Voodoo Tour" as influencing factors in the musician's period of absence following the tour." So the success of Voodoo video was in part responsible for his absence (from what? the music scene? the social world in general?) because women called for him to take off his clothes, having seen the nude video?

I tried to fix up the article, but i dont understand how the second quote is 4 and a half lines long. It looks like three. Dan56 (talk) 18:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you have a screen much larger than mine. The point is that there are too many quotations. That long one actually repeats some of what you have already written above.
Also, I removed the autoformatted dates as they are now deprecated per MOS:NUM. Specificially Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Date_autoformatting

More comments

  • "Following Voodoo's release, D'Angelo embarked on what would become one of the most fabled series of live soul shows in history, "The Voodoo Tour"." Using fabled is POV. You would need a direct quote and even then it seems over the top.

Are you sure the quotes are too much? Cuz there are other good articles which have just as much, if not more, quotes. For example, Illmatic and Enter the Wu-Tang Dan56 (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • You are right about one of those articles, Enter the Wu-Tang, although it was promoted to WP:FA over a year ago (January 2007) when standards were lower. The quotations, I believe, would be an issue now if it were a WP: FAC. Illmatic was demoted from FAC status because it had so many quotations. See [1]. I asked the advice of another editor and he said your article was currently "borderline" in terms of the quotations, but he noted that most of the quotes do not add anything and repeat was you have already said. It depends on what you aspire to in terms of article quality. You are a good writer. I enjoy reading your articles and you work hard. I would like to see your articles be the best they can be.
A few well chosen quotes have more impact than lots of long quotes. Pick ones that say something you cannot say or that make a key point. Mostly, you are very good at summarizing in your own words, often better than the quote does.
  • "The live show was a thinly-disguised homage to Prince's late 80's shows, in its grandeur and conceptual stage set up and set list." needs a citation as it is somewhat POV.

I deleted the sentence for now, until the person who added it gets back to me with a source. Dan56 (talk) 21:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Further comments - Request for second opinion

I still have reservations about this article because of the following

  • Replaced autoformatting of dates; without autoformatting the dates are in the wrong format for a U.S. article. Autoformatting of dates is deprecated and autoformatting should be removed.
  • Excessive use of quotes both in quotes boxes and embedded in the body of the article
  • The use of 3 Fair Use images - I think this is excessive for this article
  • I am unsure of this article is NPOV

Therefore, I am going to request a second opinion. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:48, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As for the images, I agree that this article pushes the limits of "fair use" a little too far. The image in the infobox is in keeping with many other album articles, and I don't see a problem with it. Claiming fair use to show a second image with a slightly different color scheme seems unnecessary. And as for the "Untitled" video image, the article doesn't provide any commentary on the image. It simply mentions that it is a controversial video. If this is because he isn't wearing a shirt (which I doubt), that would have to be clarified in the article. If it's just a random screen shot, it doesn't add anything to the article and should be removed. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The second opinion says the second image of the album cover is an unnecessary "fair use." Only one "fair use" of an album cover is justified.


Removed image. Dan56 (talk) 19:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    Reservations about autoformatting of dates and incorrect format for U.S. article if this should go to FAC
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

The Soultronics[edit]

Hi everybody,

Working on French Wikipedia version, I've just created an article about band having followed D'angelo during Voodoo Tour. I checked your Wikipedia and it seems this article don't exist yet.

Please find here the french article in order (if someone's interested of course) to translate it.

You can contact in my Discussion page.

Enjoy :). Laszlo, french wikipedia contributor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.167.236.237 (talk) 11:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Tribune review[edit]

I have been able to gather bits of Voodoo's Chicago Tribune review by Greg Kot from googlenews archive search. It sounds like a 3½/4 or 4/4 star review, but I could not find Kot's rating (it is usually posted for a Kot review for the Tribune). Here is what I got so far:

Dan56 (talk) 02:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

USA Today review[edit]

Here is the complete 4 star review from USA Today's Steve Jones. Transcribed using Google News Advanced News Archive Search:

Dan56 (talk) 05:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NME review[edit]

Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. NME (Columnist. 42. February 14, 2000) review of Voodoo (2000)

Dan56 (talk) 04:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Musical Construction[edit]

I'd like to see this article be more rigorous as to how the album was actually made. For example, the sample of "Spanish Joint" is listed as containing no overdubs, yet Roy Hargrove's trumpet is clearly playing chords (and around the 4:30 mark can be heard playing a melody and chords almost simultaneously). So either the assertion of no overdubs is incorrect (perhaps taken from marketing hype?), or some rather heavy effects were used to modify the trumpet during recording or in post-production. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.119.64.200 (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dead external links to Allmusic website – January 2011[edit]

Since Allmusic have changed the syntax of their URLs, 1 link(s) used in the article do not work anymore and can't be migrated automatically. Please use the search option on http://www.allmusic.com to find the new location of the linked Allmusic article(s) and fix the link(s) accordingly, prefereably by using the {{Allmusic}} template. If a new location cannot be found, the link(s) should be removed. This applies to the following external links:

--CactusBot (talk) 10:36, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Dan56 (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is too long[edit]

Maybe try to condense it? You're not writing a book about one album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.141.100 (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it. Dan56 (talk) 21:48, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference[edit]

Hello folks, I noticed that reference no.3 (including the archived bit) points to nothing, I've found the actual article at http://www.prweb.com/releases/dangelo/rcamusicgroup/prweb1717364.htm but I'm honestly quite bad at editing references, if anyone could help I'd be thankful... otherwise could you point me to a guide or something? Cheers --Sickboy3883 (talk) 11:42, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the link in the article, which is in pretty mediocre shape as far as citation formatting. Dan56 (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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