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Page Move[edit]

I have moved this page from Chlysty, to which Khlysty used to redirect. Google returns about three times as many hits for "Khlysty" than for "Chlysty," which was my primary reasoning, but also the Cyrillic letter Х is closer to the sound "kh" than to the way most English speakers pronounce "ch". Hopefully this is acceptable to everyone, but I'm happy to discuss it further if necessary. --Anakolouthon 21:46, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Intro[edit]

Please rewrite the intro shouldnt have to be 3/4 lines in to find out what this articial is about (Gnevin 22:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Done. It took like 10 seconds to rearrange the text, next time please feel free to just do it. Jwigton 01:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification Required[edit]

I quote: The central idea of Khlystys' ideology was to practise asceticism. Khlysty practiced the attainment of divine grace through sin in ecstatic rituals

Seems to contradict itself, how can they attain grace through denial while carrying out rituals of excess?

Say Ten 12:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excess and ecstatic are not the same thing. Mdotley 19:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Khlyst sect, it's history and societal views on it are discussed at length in Edvard Radzinsky's "Rasputin: The Last Word" [2000](London, Doubleday) ISBN 0-75381-080-8. I'd strongly recommend reading this if you require a rounded understanding of the Khylst movement at the start of the twentieth century (and some history). Kalvin Chapman 82.39.203.100 16:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contradicts Rasputin[edit]

The Rasputin article definitively states that Rasputin was not a Khylst. Shouldn't this one state it more clearly? Also, the Rasputin article definitively states that the Khlysts had group sex -- and gives a source. Jaysbro 16:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say that either of those two statements from the Rasputin article are "definitive." They are both verifiably attributed to sources, but the part saying that he was not a Khlyst, for example, makes it clear that this was the position of his daughter (who, it is also pointed out, was very defensive of him and painted of him a "saintly" picture).71.61.184.208 22:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still around[edit]

are there any Khlyst members still around? I heard that the Kakure Kirishitan are still aroundHypershock (talk) 14:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to Russian Wikipedia, Yes. - В России имеются небольшие общины хлыстов в Тамбовской , Самарской и Оренбургской областях, на Северном Кавказе .

Are Skoptsy an offshoot?[edit]

This article says the Skoptsy were an "apparent offshoot of the Khlysty" but the article on Skoptsy says it "originated as an offshoot of the sect known as the "People of God"". The phrase "People of God" does not appear in the article on Khlysts. Can this be cleared up by someone who knows? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:34, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]