Talk:Thomas Tallis

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Educational assignment[edit]

This article is about to be edited as part of an educational assignment by Union University (of Jackson, Tennessee). This is being discussed here. --Klein zach 07:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mischaracterization of English Religious Scene:[edit]

I find the sentence referenced by footnote #19 regarding England being "Staunchly Protestant" to be completely without merit. England had swung between Catholic and protestant beginning with Henry VIII. Elizabeth I created a church that was neither Roman Catholic nor continental protestant but a media via and uniquely English. If this is a quote, then from Lord then it needs to be a direct quote. If it is not a quotation then I strongly suspect it is clumsy and prejudicial editing by a Wikipedia author and should be amended and corrected. Jfmiller28 (talk) 03:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I note that you went ahead and "corrected" the article anyway, which makes one wonder why you bothered raising it in the talk section. Be that as it may, you're right that "staunchly" is an opinion and perhaps an unwarranted one at that (though it's hard 400+ years later to know one way or the other). But there is surely no doubt that England was a Protestant country during Elizabeth's reign. Not a "continental" one (though the original version never claimed that) but Protestant nonetheless. Without getting into the theological nitty-gritty, the substantial differences between Roman Catholicism and the reformed churches were incorporated in the Church of England as re-instituted by Elizabeth I. For example, on the key question of transubstantiation (the denial of which unites all Protestant churches), Elizabeth's church sided with the reformers (cf article 28 of the Thirty Nine Articles). On a less esoteric point, if one is in any doubt about whether the C of E was Protestant, just ask the Pope! His mission (then as now) was to bring Anglicanism back within the Roman Catholic fold, because (in his opinion) it had erred and strayed from the "one true faith". To this end, he excommunicated Elizabeth, and supported the Spanish in their bid to forcibly re-convert England via the Armada. In short, if you had asked Elizabeth or any of her bishops whether they were Catholic or Protestant, there can be no serious doubt that they'd have answered the latter.

I don't propose to revert your edits, as they seem fine, but the points you raise here do seem, at the very least, to be open to question. Harry Dodge (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2010 (UTC)Harry Dodge[reply]

Authors without books: missing references[edit]

We now have references in parentheses to authors whose works are not included in the lists of books inthe References section: Shrock, Cole, Peter, Walker etc. --Klein zach 02:20, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Handedness[edit]

The picture of Tallis from many years after his death seems to indicate that he was left-handed. I wonder if this was actually the case, or whimsey on the part of the later portrait artist....? 82.5.68.95 (talk) 02:14, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P numbers[edit]

Many of Tallis' works are catalogued with "P. numbers". So- P is an abbreviation for whom, why does List of compositions by Thomas Tallis at present show no sign of this, nor the article make no mention of this? Suggestion for further research :) Schissel | Sound the Note! 07:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Refering to monarchs[edit]

Is there any reason why kings are refered to as Henry VII and Edward VI (without "King") but queens are refered to as Queen Mary and Queen Eliz I?

If this is not the result of some convention (which I suspect it is not) then for the sake of consistency it would be better to style queens in the same way ie. Mary I and Elizabeth I. (as indeed the titles of their respective wiki pages have it.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.221.52 (talk) 20:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tallis's Day of Death[edit]

This article on Tallis implies that the Gregorian calendar was in use in England during the life of the composer. If fact, only the Julian calendar was in use in the British Isles (officially) until 1752. Please rewrite the opening of the article to indicate Tallis's day of death of December 3rd, 1585 is not the "standard" date as this article implies. (Mentioning the Julian date [November 23rd, 1585] only in a footnote is fairly misleading.)

the composer spelled his last name "Tallys.[edit]

why do historians rape his name? Names are not vocabulary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.216.225 (talk) 20:33, 1 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Portrait - Thomas Weelkes?[edit]

It looks like the portrait is the same one commonly used for the composer Thomas Weelkes (ex.: http://www.singers.com/composers/Thomas-Weelkes/ ). Is this merely a mistake that other sites make, or is the portrait in this article a different portrait, and perhaps modeled after a portrait or the later Weelkes, or vice-versa? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.207.128.224 (talk) 11:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The engraving used here is actually inscribed at the top "Tomaso Tallis." This page https://www.discogs.com/Thomas-Weelkes-Thomas-Tallis-Choir-Of-St-Johns-College-Cambridge-The-Director-George-Guest-Tudor-Chu/release/6843702 is about a 1961 album with compositions by both men and both names appear on the album below this engraving bearing the Tallis inscription; perhaps that is how this engraving came to be associated with Weelkes? History Lunatic (talk) 04:40, 14 July 2017 (UTC)History Lunatic[reply]

The source of the engraving is a one-page "rip-out" donated to the British Museum, dated circa 1730-1770. Whether it is a true likeness or not cannot be ascertained, but the engraving clearly identifies the image as being that of Tallis. See for a discussion about the likeness of the composer as well as that of William Byrd here. It is almost certain that the image is reversed (mirrored) and that Tallis is not left-handed - suggested by what looks like a clef when you see the image as the "right way", and when you consider that the other engraving on the page - that of William Byrd incorrectly shows him with his jacket buttons on the wrong side. --Very trivial (talk) 03:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Buttons the "wrong way"
Buttons the "right way"