Template talk:Ffd

Template:Ffd is permanently protected from editing because it is a heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by consensus, editors may use {{edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's documentation to add usage notes or categories.

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Protection[edit]

Why is this template protected? Template:vfd and others are unprotected—So why isn't this? I have an improvement but I will not suggest it here as another user's name will be assigned to it in the history. Protection gives sysops an unfair advantage. — El Chico! ^Talk 11:57, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Most of the most-used templates are semi-permanently protected, especially if they have been the targets of edit-wars in the past. The reason is, when you change this template, it changes hundreds of pages on Wikipedia. The protection is to ensure all changes are discussed here first, and that there is consensus to make the change. Then a sysop can unprotect it for you, long enough for you to make the change, and then re-protect it.

So what improvement were you thinking of making? – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 23:30, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

I don't know about El Chico, but I would like to change [[Category:Images for deletion]] to [[Category:Images for deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]]. – AB CD 18:54, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please unprotect this page. Template:Vfd is unprotected, and so is Template:Ifd. Why is this any different?

Well, I think that the idea of linking to the template to improve upon it is sort of bogus, if its protected. The wording should be changed to 'suggest improvements' and the link should be to the talk page. →Iñgōlemo← ^talk donate 00:22, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I also think that this passage "However, you are welcome to make improvements to it." should be removed. I would also reword this sentence: "Please do not remove this notice while the question is being considered." I would replace it with "Please do not remove this notice while it's deletion is being discussed." Zscout370 19:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I unprotected the template. It is only used on 199 pages at the moment; I don't think that's enough to count it as one of the "most-used" templates. dbenbenn | talk 01:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image?[edit]

Do you think we should have an image of this template to show the template out more on image pages so people then know about the image being deleted? Image:Stop hand.png • Thorpe • 21:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and I've implemented your suggestion. dbenbenn | talk 20:56, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Change in look[edit]

I have given the template a look that is similar to the other templates that remind people that image may have to be deleted. I hope that's fine, if not then revert. (I also added a link to editing the page and changed the font size of the "If you have just labeled" sentence to be similar to other templates using such a sentence.) Wcquidditch 18:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Putting and image or media up for deletion is a three step process; see the main article for more information. Template:Idw is used in the second step by Subst.

This template is a self-reference and so is part of the Wikipedia project rather than the encyclopaedic content. This template is not useful for Wikipedia:Subst. This template will categorise tagged categories into Category:Images and media for deletion but this template will not be included.

Rewritten[edit]

This has now been rewritten similar to {{Afd}}. --Wcquidditch | Talk 15:45, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Link to entry on IFD[edit]

Would it be possible to change the link to IFD so that it goes directly to the image's entry? The {{Ifd2}} template which is recommended for listing images on IFD makes an anchor with the name of the image. It might be possible to change the line in this template that says:

Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the Images and media for deletion page.

Could that link be changed to something like the following?

[[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Images and media for deletion]]

If the image was listed on IFD without using {{Ifd2}}, then this fragment identifier wouldn't help any, but it wouldn't hurt anything either. In the majority of cases, though, this would take a person directly to the image's entry. —Bkell (talk) 07:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There being no objections, I'm going to be bold and make the change. —Bkell (talk) 11:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hide/Show bug[edit]

When viewing this template, the hide/show comes up as hide, requiring a user to click "hide" and then "show" to get the lower portion to display. Could this be fixed so that the "Show" is the first action so the user doesn't have to double-click? --MECU≈talk 04:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edit requested[edit]

Please change

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion<includeonly>#{{FULLPAGENAME}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.

to

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion<includeonly>/{{FULLPAGENAME}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.

Thank you. ("#" to "/"). This makes much more sense, since IFDs often have a backlog, and it would be nice to access a deletion debate by going directly to it, rather than digging through said backlogs or doing a search. {{afd1}} also has this feature. Thanks. Gracenotes^T § 06:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Hm, that's not what I meant to say. Just a sec; I'm going to fix it. Gracenotes^T § 07:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I think I have it: change it to

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion<includeonly>/{{subst:#time:Y F j}}#{{FULLPAGENAME}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.

Hopefully the includeonly substitution of parserfunctions won't be too quirky in this case. Thanks! Gracenotes^T § 07:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, they are. – ABCD✉ 17:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In this case? Gracenotes^T § 21:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You want to put the includeonly around the subst: ''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/{{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#time:Y F j}}#{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Images and media for deletion]] page. Except that that will have to be tested too, because subst-ParserFunction combinations are weird. --ais523 09:30, 30 January 2007 (U T C)

That should work... but only if the template were substituted. The documentation currently says that the template can be used unsubstituted, but if this change were made and the template used without substitution it would always point to the page for the CURRENT date... regardless of when the template was placed on the page / what date the discussion is listed under. Thus, implementing this logic change would require a corresponding change in culture / use. --CBD 22:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Not carried out right now", said the humble dolt going through the editprotected requests. "There's been no response since CBD's pertinent point of contention", and he wandered along to the next template talk page. Proto::► 18:29, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, fair enough, I sort of forgot about my request. Gracenotes dreams of a day when template substitution can be set default Gracenotes^T § 20:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request: Change to look more like Template:Afd[edit]

Proposed new design:

This file is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy .
Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the Images and media for deletion page.
You are welcome to edit this file, but please do not remove this notice while the discussion is in progress.

How to list a file for deletion (log)

After adding {{ffd|log=2024 April 18}} to the file description page, please:

I.	Add a line to today's FfD.	Add this text: `{{subst:Ffd2\|1=Ffd\|Uploader= \|Reason= }} ~~~~`
II.	Inform the uploader at his or her talk page.	Add this text: `{{subst:fdw\|1=Ffd}}`
III.	Add a notice in the caption on each page in the file links.	Add this text: `{{ffdc\|1=Ffd\|log=2024 April 18}}`

I think this template is a bit more formal. Also, having the afd and ifd images so different in design might be confusing to some users. --24fan24 (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not opposed, but it's too early for an {{editprotected}}, some discussion first, please. Guy (Help!) 12:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please place |{{{1}}} in the #{{FULLPAGENAME}}, so it reads #{{FULLPAGENAME|{{{1}}}}}. This is so people can insert their own TOC menus. For instance, I added {{ifd|Cpr j images}} to Image:1999-instal-WhiteNoise.jpg, but the image link still points to WP:IFD#Image:1999-instal-WhiteNoise.jpg. hbdragon88 00:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. By the way, the code is actually {{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interwiki[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please, add sl:Predloga:Szb. Thanks. --Eleassar ^{my talk} 09:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 10:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with this template[edit]

Can we change this template to where it will link to the discussion of the image nominated for deletion, rather than just the entire IFD page? This is a big problem, especially for images that have been moved into the backlogged recesses. Its almost impossible to find the discussion for any given image from the image. —Gaff ^ταλκ 18:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I am asking is: can we have the linked phrase Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the Images and media for deletion page actually link to the image's entry rather than the whole page. I hope this is clear? —Gaff ^ταλκ 18:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Currently, IFDs discussions do not have their own discussion subpage, like used on AFDs. IFDs discussions are held in a section of a long IFD discussion page. Currently this template should take you to the discussion's section on this page. --24fan24 (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  If possible, the link should be changed to take you to the dated subpage rather than the main IFD page. This may be difficult to do without having to subst the template, though I am not well versed in the arcane realm of template black magic. —Bkell (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The instructions need to say to leave off the Image: and User: prefixes because otherwise the section links fail. ←Ben^B4 05:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Minor overhaul[edit]

Please replace the contents of this template with:

<!-- IfD comment to force linebreak -->
{| style="width:80%; margin:0 auto; background-color:#FFFFFF; border:8px solid #EE0000; padding:5px; text-align:left; font-size:95%;"
! style="line-height:1em; vertical-align:top; font-size:85px" | [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|85px|Warning sign|⚠]]
! This file is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion policy]][[Template:ifd|.]]

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion{{#if:{{{log|}}}|/{{{log}}}|}}<includeonly>#{{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.''

''You are welcome to edit this file, but please do not remove this notice while the discussion is in progress.''
|-
|colspan="2" border="1"|<div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavHead" style="background:#FFFFFF; text-align:left;"><span style="font-weight:normal; font-style:italic;">[[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Listing images and media for deletion|How to list a file for deletion]]</span></div>
<div class="NavContent" style="">
{{IfD doc}}
</div></div></div>
|}<includeonly>[[Category:Images and media for deletion]]</includeonly><noinclude>

Note that this template '''does not have to be [[Wikipedia:Template substitution|substituted]]'''.
[[Category:Deletion templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]
[[de:Vorlage:Löschantrag Bild]]
[[gu:Template:Ifd]]
[[sl:Predloga:Szb]]
[[vi:Tiêu bản:Bỏ phiếu xóa tập tin]]
[[zh:Template:Ifd]]
</noinclude>

This will wikify the template, improve the user experience for screen readers and text only browsers, and remove the rather useless "log" link. —Remember the dot ^(talk)

Most of the changes look fine, but why remove the log link? --- RockMFR 01:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like there were some code errors. I fixed them in the copy above. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added another span tag that was missing. --- RockMFR 02:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 04:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any point to the "log" link when by clicking [show] you can see the same edit link and much more. —Remember the dot ^(talk) 04:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you don't see the point, but I came here to ask why there's no log link! Other deletion templates now display the text you need to make the listing and have a link to the log. This one feels like it's from the Stone Ages in comparison. Could somebody improve it please? IFS is always a nightmare because the templates are so crap and there's so many hoops to go through for what usually turns out to be uncontested deletion. --kingboyk (talk) 20:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 05:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doc subpage[edit]

Hi, I've added a documentation subpage at Template:Ifd/doc (see WP:DOC); please modify the source for this template page to:

<!-- IfD comment to force line break -->
{| style="width:80%; margin:0 auto; background-color:#FFFFFF; border:8px solid #EE0000; padding:5px; text-align:left; font-size:95%;"
! style="line-height:1em; vertical-align:top; font-size:85px" | [[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|85px|Warning sign|⚠]]
! This file is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion policy]][[Template:ifd|.]]

''Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion{{#if:{{{log|}}}|/{{{log}}}|}}<includeonly>#{{{1|{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}}</includeonly>|Images and media for deletion]] page.''

''You are welcome to edit this file, but please do not remove this notice while the discussion is in progress.''
|-
|colspan="2" border="1"|<div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border-style:none; padding:0;"><div class="NavHead" style="background:#FFFFFF; text-align:left;"><span style="font-weight:normal; font-style:italic;">[[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion#Listing images and media for deletion|How to list a file for deletion]]</span></div>
<div class="NavContent" style="">
{{IfD doc}}
</div></div></div>
|}<includeonly>[[Category:Images and media for deletion]]</includeonly><noinclude>
<!--
    PLEASE DO NOT ADD DOCUMENTATION/CATEGORIES/INTERWIKIS HERE
-->
{{Template doc}}
<!--
    MAKE ADDITIONS TO THE /doc SUBPAGE INSTEAD, THANKS
-->
</noinclude>

My only changes were: (1) Changed "linebreak" to "line break" in comment of first line; and (2) replaced all code after the category includeonly with the present template from WP:DOC. Thanks! +mt 17:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --ais523 18:07, 28 September 2007 (U T C)

Signature[edit]

{{editprotected}}The instructions tell you to use {{subst:Ifd2|Ifd|Uploader= |Reason= }}- ~~~~. Note that there is only one hyphen before the signature, and the space is inserted after the hyphen (which makes it stick to the reason, like this: reason blah blah- (signature)). This should be changed to match the default Wikipedia signature: {{subst:Ifd2|Ifd|Uploader= |Reason= }} --~~~~. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those instructions are actually at Template:IfD doc, which is not protected. I've made the change. —Bkell (talk) 16:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Internal link edit[edit]

{{editprotected}} Please include this 'its entry on the...' as part of the internal link, so that it is clear that there is a link to the discussion (currently just looks like a link to the general page). Richard001 (talk) 10:22, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to match the afd/cfd/mfd templates. --- RockMFR 15:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FfD link[edit]

{{editprotected}} There's a problem with the links to WP:FfD. The File parameter is needed. For example, File:Cc-tub.jpg links to Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_June_23#Cc-tub.jpg instead of Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2009_June_23#File:Cc-tub.jpg. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I know I could do it but I don't know I have a clue how to do it without completely messing up the code. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --- RockMFR 15:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have all XfD be substituted and link to the actual page of discussion[edit]

Please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Deletion discussions#Have all XfD be substituted and link to the actual page of discussion. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Editprotected request involving this template[edit]

This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass ^{(hit me up)}⁄_{(background check)} 20:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date bug?[edit]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Somehow, File:OnceMoreWithFeeling.jpg was nominated on July 31 for deletion. But the template says August 30. Same with File:South Park raisins scene.jpg but it's August 31. Is there something wrong with the date? --George Ho (talk) 20:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The date concerned is generated by Template:FfD doc. If you nulledit either of those files, you'll probably find that the date becomes today's date. I suspect that we need to pass the |log= parameter through tp {{FfD doc}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:38, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but where in the template is the date displayed? The collapsed nominating instructions should always show the current date, as if a nomination is not put in the log at the time of nomination, it shouldn't be later placed in that log, lest it be deleted without being listed for the full duration expected. Monty ₈₄₅ 02:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: There doesn't seem to be any bug here, per Monty's comment. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 10:54, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion regarding verbiage in progress on WT:FFD[edit]

There is currently a ongoing discussion to determine verbiage in regards to WP:FFD becoming "Files for discussion". The discussion is taking place at Wikipedia talk:Files for discussion#Template:Ffd. Watchers of this page, as well as anyone else interested, are welcome to participate in the discussion to determine the new verbiage. Steel1943 (talk) 17:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Routine deletions[edit]

Following consensus at WT:FFD, could a routine deletion option be added? Basically alt text that says "The purpose of this file is currently being discussed by the Wikipedia community in accordance with Wikipedia's routine deletion policy." Thank you. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This should match {{afd}} and friends[edit]

The purpose of this file is currently being discussed by the Wikipedia community in accordance with Wikipedia's image use policy. The outcome of the discussion may result in the file's usage or license being changed, or possibly its deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.

Please share your thoughts on the matter at this file's entry on the Files for discussion page.

Feel free to edit the file, but the page must not be blanked and this notice must not be removed until the discussion is closed.

How to list a file for discussion: Add {{ffd|log=2024 April 18}} to the file description page. Then subst {{subst:Ffd2|1=Ffd|Uploader= |Reason= }} ~~~~ to add a line to today's FfD. Finally, add {{ffdc|1=Ffd|log=2024 April 18}} in the caption on each page in the file links. Please consider notifying the uploader by placing {{subst:fdw|1=Ffd}} on their talk page(s).

This template should only be used on file pages.

Based on the current version of the FFD template and {{mfd}}. KMF (talk) 00:03, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 3 December 2017[edit]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

I added uploaded= and reason= as part of the {{ffd2}} template and changed the instructions of the "ffd" template in the sandbox and changed the Template:ffd2 preload. The #2 step should be changed to encourage usage of lowercase parameters. George Ho (talk) 03:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of "help=off"[edit]

I noticed that help=off has been used lately while using FFD. If it's becoming more common, can the "help" be on in edit previews and off by default or something, like AFD template has been? George Ho (talk) 05:08, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request 4 May 2020[edit]

This edit request to full has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The name of the notification template has changed from Template:Fdw to Template:Ffd notice. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 13:11, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:27, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template-protected edit request on 19 August 2020[edit]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Please add .mbox-ffd as a class to this template to make it easier to locate this template using code. A a s i m 09:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request[edit]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Please add a section parameter to this template so that nominators can directly link to a section on FfD when making an FfD nomination. A a s i m 07:36, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: I tried to implement your request, but I don't understand how what you are requesting is different from the existing parameter #1 in the template. Could you explain, please? --Bsherr (talk) 17:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protection[edit]

Image?[edit]

Change in look[edit]

See also[edit]

Rewritten[edit]

Link to entry on IFD[edit]

Hide/Show bug[edit]

Edit requested[edit]

Edit request: Change to look more like Template:Afd[edit]

Edit request[edit]

Interwiki[edit]

Problem with this template[edit]

Minor overhaul[edit]

Doc subpage[edit]

Signature[edit]

Internal link edit[edit]

WP:FfD link[edit]

Have all XfD be substituted and link to the actual page of discussion[edit]

Editprotected request involving this template[edit]

Date bug?[edit]

Discussion regarding verbiage in progress on WT:FFD[edit]

Routine deletions[edit]

This should match {{afd}} and friends[edit]

Template-protected edit request on 3 December 2017[edit]

Usage of "help=off"[edit]

Protected edit request 4 May 2020[edit]

Template-protected edit request on 19 August 2020[edit]

Edit request[edit]