Talk:AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted

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Writing Credits[edit]

I own the album and the writing credits stated in the liner notes contradict the credits cited in the article.

"KKK"[edit]

Slang word from Ice Cube?'s 1990 Album AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted?

Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Why have this word here at all? The article doesn't make that clear at all.

The KKK is representative of the Ku Klux Klan and highlights the ongoing racial intolerance of some white Americans.

Huh? The KKK is the Ku Klux Klan. The KKK does not "highlight the ongoing racial intolerance of some white Americans"--that's literal nonsense. But the continued existence of the KKK admittedly indicates that at least a very small number--the KKK numbers are miniscule today, in fact--are racially intolerant. Of course, there are many more racially intolerant whites than there are KKK members. However, some Leftists for their own purposes enjoy dignifying this now practically nonexistent group of losers as a dangerous mainstream threat to racial equality in the U.S. In so doing, said Leftists merely discredit themselves.

See NPOV.

The spelling is not original with Ice Cube?; both Abbie Hoffman and Malcolm X used it in their writings in the 1960s, and it may well predate them.

So now we have possibly a reason for an article with this title: some 60s Leftists used it as part of their anti-Americanism, to tar the entire United States with the brush of a tiny, extreme minority group. It's not clear to me that on those grounds we need a separate article with this title, when the very title is insulting to most Americans. It might be better to include the legitimate information here in a different article, such as Leftist rhetoric through the years (that's a bad title, but you get the idea).

BTW, if we say "it may well predate them," that implies that it is not known (by anyone) who invented the word. But it probably is known.

Anyway, I'm not going to touch this article until I have some feedback. If I did touch it, I couldn't justify doing anything other than removing it entirely, for reasons given above. I admit that, perhaps, there might be a way to write an article that is both NPOV and encyclopedic under this title, AmeriKKKa; but I am not going to be the one to write it.

Great article! 71.131.201.69 06:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I say delete it. It's useless and imflammatory.

BTW, the author would have made his meaning a bit more clear if he/she had written "The "KKK" in the term is representative of the Ku Klux Klan" rather than "The KKK is representative of the Ku Klux Klan". That's part of what has thrown you off here, I think. Stormwriter

I'm glad to see we agree about something. --Larry Sanger

Here's the original article, moved from the subject page:

Slang word from Ice Cube's 1990 Album AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted

The KKK is representative of the Ku Klux Klan and highlights the ongoing racial intolerance of some white Americans.

The spelling is not original with Ice Cube; both Abbie Hoffman and Malcolm X used it in their writings in the 1960s, and it may well predate them.

Let's see some quotes from them then. As I remember it, Hoffman used "Amerika" and I don't believe Malcolm went here at all. There would be no objecton to including this information in the Ice Cube article, so far as I can see. Ortolan88

I don't see a whole lot of use for this article either, but for what it's worth, the Maoist International Movement (a US maoist group) uses amerikkka a lot today. I've seen it a lot in old Black Nationalist literature as well. DanKeshet 23:22 Nov 16, 2002 (UTC)

I didn't know this article existed. I will try to expand on it, and maybe include a history of the term "Amerikkka" (and "Amerika") as part of it. It really is one of the most influential hip-hop albums of all time, so it certainly deserves to exist. As it stands, it's worthless at best. Tokerboy 23:34 Nov 16, 2002 (UTC)

Whoops! I meant the arrticle "Amerikkka" which is a redirect to this article. I have no problem the main article. DanKeshet

The OJ Simpson reference is somewhat illogical. How would events that would take place 4 years in the future involving a specific case, have affected Ice Cube's 1990 Album?

This page should not be deleted. Lir 23:36 Nov 16, 2002 (UTC)

Amazing personnel list. 81.79.153.58 19:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, peeps, I've cleaned it up[edit]

not to be hoggish but only edit if u have something VITAL to add since i spent quite a while making sure the article as as thorough as possible. - Majik43.

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BetacommandBot 19:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore this bot message. As one of the most influential albums in hip-hop (not opinion but fact), this article needs a corresponding image - and seeing what Ice Cube looked like in 1990 is a very illustrating way to do it. Unless you can find something alternate, I say leave it. It's not going to alter the sales of this 20 year old album, which has already been defined as a "classic". For the good of the community and the service, please leave this article as is. - MisplacedFate1313

Beats as important as lyrics[edit]

The article makes a big deal about the meaning of the lyrics. There should be just as much coverage given to the expertise beats, e.g., on songs 4, 5, and 6. Jidanni (talk) 21:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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All the start class criteria

Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
Y At least one section of prose (excluding the lead section)
Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
Y Categorisation at least by artist and year
Y A casual reader should learn something about the album. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

==Re-review== Start class:

Y A reasonably complete infobox
Y A lead section giving an overview of the album
Y A track listing
Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient)
Y Categorisation at least by artist and year

C class:

Y All the start class criteria
Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art
Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section)
Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians.

B class:

Y All the C class criteria
Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources.
Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS

A good article but some sections all lack citations except the quotes. the Legacy, Lyrics, and album title section all need better citations, even if it states things of somewhat obviousness. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 00:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 07:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

"AmeriKKKa" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect AmeriKKKa has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 11 § AmeriKKKa until a consensus is reached. :3 F4U (they /it) 14:04, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]