Talk:Trondheim

The city's names

Including Throndhjem

There is also the spelling version "Throndhjem". This can be seen for example here: no:Throndhjem stasjon.

Should that be included as well? Maybe something like "[...] historically Kaupangen, Nidaros and T(h)rondhjem, is a city [...]" in the first line? (Netron 10:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC))

Pronunciation

"heim" vs "hjem"

What I hear in the ogg file, is it the pronunciation of the name "Trondhjem" or the name "Trondheim"? Chvsanchez 01:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

It's "Trondhjem". Zido 21:54, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I am from "Trondheim" and do not say "Trondhjæm". We have Heimdal, you don't say Hjæmdal, we have Ranheim, you don't say Ranhjæm. Kwikdahl (talk) 21:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

See Norwegian language struggle. Dieus (talk) 11:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The question is still not answered. I'm a native English speaker, I have been to Trondheim, and I have heard both pronunciations. (Not recently and not necessarily from native speakers.) Also the article currently has only the Norwegian pronunciation. If there is a common English alternative, that should be included, too. 76.102.1.193 (talk) 06:00, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to try to clear things up, as this indeed is a bit confusing, especially if you aren't from Trondheim.

Alright, so "heim" and "hjem" both have the exact same meaning, being "home". "Heim" is the more archaic, Norwegian word, while hjem is a newer influence brought in from Danish. You could roughly say that "heim" is more commonly heard on the countryside, while "hjem" is a word more commonly used in the cities. The traditional pronounciation in the city (using the traditional city borders, before much of the surronding countryside was included), have always been "Trondhjem" (or more precisely "Trånnhjæmm" in the local dialect). Outside of Trondheim City, the city has been called "Trondheim". Now you can hear both variations within the city limits, as the city mergered with much of the surronding countryside in 1964. This is the reason why parts of modern Trondheim like Strindheim, Ranheim, Heimdal always is pronounced as they're written (and not as Strindhjem, Ranhjem and so on), since they originally were located outside the city limits (i.e. the countryside). The reason the name was changed to Trondheim back in the day was because of the Norwegianisation campaign following independence in 1905, in an attempt to give the Norwegian cities more "autenthic" names (e.g. Kristiania -> Oslo). Interestingly, the written variant, "Trondheim", is becoming more and more prevalent among the younger generations nowadays according to a study made by Stian Hårstad (http://ntnu.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:359563/FULLTEXT01). I think it's also important to add that most inhabitants will referer to the city as "Trondheim" in English, in order to not create any confusion regardless of their origins. Bricklayer (talk) 16:06, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

"Trond" vs "Trong"

"Trong-jæm"?! Born and raised in this town, I must say that I have never heard anyone pronounce the name with a g in it? What is the background for this entry? --Njård 07:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry buddy - that was my measly attempt at rendering the nasal-like pronunciation in a half-English, half-Norwegian, non-IPA transliteration. Change it into something more realistic if you want and can. ;J //Big Adamsky 08:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, suspected something like that..;) Will a forreigner with no knowledge of the dialect read it with a "silent g"? If so I believe it can be left as it is for now. Can't think of any english words with similar pronununciation..--Njård 08:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

How about "Tråynnngjdh-ndjæmmm"? :P //Big Adamsky 08:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Hm "Trawnn-yam" would be better.. like in "prawn"..--Njård 08:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Hm, sounds about right - go for it! //Big Adamsky 09:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

demonym

why is it open? "trønder", "trøndersk"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.88.126.41 (talk) 03:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

because someone (expletive deleted) added "demonym to {{Infobox Kommune}} without defaulting it to "not shown"? Anyway, it should be "Trondhjemmer", in my opinion. People from Steinkjær are "trøndere" too! --Alvestrand (talk) 06:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Toponymy

Whereas History reads

Trondheim was named Kaupangen (English: market place or trading place) by Viking King Olav Tryggvason in 997. Fairly soon, it came to be called Nidaros.

Toponymy reads

The city was originally given the name by Olav Tryggvason. It was for a long time called Nidaros (English: Mouth of the river Nid), or Niðaróss in the Old Norse spelling.

The latter appears to suggest Trondheim was the original name of the city. Further into Toponomy it reads

Historically, Trondheimen indicates the area around the Trondheimsfjord.

I assume this means the city was founded by King Olav under the name of Kaupangen in the region called Trondheimen, and that the city eventually took over the name of the region as it grew in importance. But was Nidaros the formal name or colloquial? Some clarification and sources would be in order. — Sm18 (talk) 17:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

"Kaupang" means "town" or "trade city" in Old Norse, so that was certainly never the formal name of the city. The Norwegian version of this article claims that in the late Middle Ages, the town was sometimes known as "Kaupangen i Trondheimen" - that is, the trade center of the Trondheim area. There was a *huge* confrontation about the name in 1929-1931, which ended up with the "compromise" name "Trondheim" rather than the Danish-inspired "Trondhjem" or the backwards-looking "Nidaros". It's an interesting history. --Alvestrand (talk) 12:14, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Bumper-surfing

I removed the following from Sports:

A favourite pastime in winter among boys is pogeying, or bumper-surfing behind cars when conditions permit.

I'm sure this happens, but I'm also sure it is not the favourite pastime. -- Egil 09:25, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sintef and more about economy

Sintef, being the largest research establishment in Norway, deserves a mention in the article IMHO. And what about the local enonomy? Google recently established themselves in Trondheim, making this one of the few (only?) European city with all the three leading search engine companies represented.

Wrong use of semicolon

Like Norwegians most (especially those working as journalists in tabloids) the authors of this article don't know how to use the semicolon. It seems that they mix it up with the ordinary colon, which has nothing to do with it at all, but is, alas, a common mistake especially here in Norway. I've tried to take out as many wrongly used semicolons as I can. First rule of the use of semicolon is: DON'T USE IT..! It is said that the intellectual level of a country is inversely proportional with the number of semicolons used in papers and other texts. So, take a look in the Wikipedia article about semicolon or/and simply stop using it.

Urban density

urban density is approx 2500 http://www.ssb.no/beftett/tab-2009-06-16-01.html I don't know how to type it in, but it be of interest to many. So if someone could programme it in, I think that would be great —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.113.66.145 (talk) 18:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Ever been in a film...?

I recongize this city from a film, most particularly the colorful storehouses. Can anyone shed any light on this...? Thanks. 77.86.122.168 (talk) 22:01, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Climate information for Trondheim

Currently the Trondheim article is using just one year, 2009, as climate information. This is clearly not ideal. I suggest using many more years, and I have looked in eKlima at the official data for Trondheim - Voll (127m asl) from Meteorological Institute. Seems the station operated from 1923 - 1967, but then was discontinued and did not start up again with relevant data untill 1997. Thus, I have gathered all data from 1997 onwards and included this year, 2013. I am waiting for December to finish to complete the weather box. That will give us 17 years of temperature data as base period, a large improvement I believe. Precipitation has been recorded at Voll since February 1999, but data for 2001 and 2004 is missing. Still, this is 13 years. I have also used this data to gather number of precipitation days with at least 1 mm precipitation (DRR_GE1), a common threshold for precipitation days and one that avoids condensate to be counted as precipitation day. Sunhours data for Trondheim is from Metlex by Meteorolgical Institute. Mean annual temperature back to 1997 from Rimfrost, which is using offical data from met.no.

As an example, the mean annual temperature for Trondheim - Voll in 1997 was 5.6C. The warmest years were 2006 and 2011, both with a mean annual of 6.8C at Voll. There are 9 years with mean 6C or warmer (2013 not included). The coldest year was 2010 with mean annual 3.6C - a very cold year! The second coldest year was 2001 with mean annual 4.9C. Notice that the data on yr.no for Trondheim is an estimate for the 1961-90 period, as the weather station was not operational most of those years. Thus, the information in this weather box is possibly the most accurate description of Trondheims climate today (higher elevations will off course be somewhat colder, and the city center slightly warmer). But the data is fully open, everyone can register at eKlima and get access to the data.

When December is completed, I have prepared to make the last calculations (including year averages - those in the box are preliminary values) and suggest we then insert this weather box in the article and removes the one used currently.

Climate data for Trondheim - Voll (127m) 1997 - 2013
Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Year
Mean daily maximum °C (°F)	1.4 (34.5)	1.5 (34.7)	4.0 (39.2)	9.0 (48.2)	13.4 (56.1)	16.6 (61.9)	19.4 (66.9)	18.6 (65.5)	14.5 (58.1)	8.6 (47.5)	4.6 (40.3)	1.8 (35.2)	9.5 (49.1)
Daily mean °C (°F)	−1.2 (29.8)	−1.4 (29.5)	0.5 (32.9)	4.9 (40.8)	8.9 (48.0)	12.2 (54.0)	14.9 (58.8)	14.2 (57.6)	10.8 (51.4)	5.7 (42.3)	1.9 (35.4)	−1.1 (30.0)	5.8 (42.4)
Mean daily minimum °C (°F)	−4.0 (24.8)	−4.1 (24.6)	−2.3 (27.9)	1.7 (35.1)	5.2 (41.4)	8.6 (47.5)	11.3 (52.3)	10.8 (51.4)	7.6 (45.7)	2.9 (37.2)	−0.6 (30.9)	−3.8 (25.2)	2.8 (37.0)
Average precipitation mm (inches)	84 (3.3)	74 (2.9)	82 (3.2)	44 (1.7)	44 (1.7)	72 (2.8)	82 (3.2)	64 (2.5)	88 (3.5)	75 (3.0)	71 (2.8)	68 (2.7)	848 (33.4)
Average precipitation days (≥ 1 mm)	15	13	15	10	11	13	11	10	13	13	12	11	147
Mean monthly sunshine hours	23	65	119	159	215	197	178	176	112	62	32	9	1,347
Source 1: eklima.met.no
Source 2: Soltid - Meteorologileksikon

Orcaborealis (talk) 21:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok completed climate information/ Weather box as December is completed and data is ready. It can now be used in the article, but I think there should be some text also, explaining why these years was used (station started up again in 1997) and that altitude lapse rate is about 0.6C/ 100m, so that that the city center will be about 0.6C warmer, while higher elevations will be colder (Lian, last stop for the tram, at some 300 m amsl, will have a mean annual temperature approx 1.1C colder) Orcaborealis (talk) 01:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Climate updated with 2014 included in the data base
I suggest to use this updated weather box instead of the current one in the article, as I have now included the data for 2014. 2014 was a very warm year, warmest ever in Trondheim. The relative warmest months were February and July, but also March and November were very warm. More years included is good, IMO.
Trondheim - Voll climate with 2014 added to the data:

Climate data for Trondheim (Voll 127m) 1997 - 2014
Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Year
Mean daily maximum °C (°F)	1.3 (34.3)	1.7 (35.1)	4.1 (39.4)	9.1 (48.4)	13.5 (56.3)	16.5 (61.7)	19.7 (67.5)	18.6 (65.5)	14.5 (58.1)	8.7 (47.7)	4.7 (40.5)	1.9 (35.4)	9.5 (49.2)
Daily mean °C (°F)	−1.3 (29.7)	−1.2 (29.8)	0.7 (33.3)	4.9 (40.8)	8.9 (48.0)	12.2 (54.0)	15.1 (59.2)	14.3 (57.7)	10.8 (51.4)	5.8 (42.4)	2 (36)	−1 (30)	5.9 (42.7)
Mean daily minimum °C (°F)	−4.1 (24.6)	−3.7 (25.3)	−2.2 (28.0)	1.7 (35.1)	5.2 (41.4)	8.6 (47.5)	11.5 (52.7)	10.8 (51.4)	7.6 (45.7)	3 (37)	−0.5 (31.1)	−3.8 (25.2)	2.8 (37.1)
Average precipitation mm (inches)	80 (3.1)	68 (2.7)	81 (3.2)	45 (1.8)	45 (1.8)	72 (2.8)	79 (3.1)	70 (2.8)	87 (3.4)	74 (2.9)	67 (2.6)	68 (2.7)	836 (32.9)
Average precipitation days (≥ 1 mm)	14	12	15	11	11	13	11	11	13	13	11	12	147
Mean monthly sunshine hours	23	65	119	159	215	197	178	176	112	62	32	9	1,347
Source 1: eklima.met.no
Source 2: Soltid - Meteorologileksikon

Orcaborealis (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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Economy

This article needs an economy section. What industries are the top employers in Trondheim? Give me the top 5 or 10 industries and major employment sectors. -- 143.120.100.106 (talk) 01:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

External links

Why are these links showing up at the bottom of this page? They are not at the bottom in edit mode.

Climate data again

The table used now in the article is from a Russian web page: http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/climate2/01271.htm and some of the information is wrong, especially the record high/lows. The data seems to be from Værnes. The record high for February is incorrect, has never been that warm neither in the city or at Trondheim Airport Værnes. The record high for April and for September and for October are wrong, etc. There are now more data digitalied and available in eklima. So I have looked up all the actual records in Trondheim city (not at Værnes, and also not at places far from the city such as Jervan), and also combined with data about averages and precipitation for 1981-2010 from this webpage: http://meteo-climat-bzh.dyndns.org/listenormale-1981-2010-2-p159.php%7Ctitle=Moyennes. Since there were no weather stations recording temperature in Trondheim city from 1982-1996, this page seems to have used averages from Værnes for those years, otherwise from Voll. Also, the sunhours are removed as many years are based on recording from Voll, where a hill to the S/SE block the sun (not in summer) for part of the day. Thus, the new sunrecorded established by met.no has been placed at Gløshaugen were there are much less terrain blocking issues. The first year - 2016 - recorded almost 1600 sunhours. Since 2012, there have been several new weather stations (Lade, Sverresborg, Ranheim, Saupstad) primarily for reccording precipitation, but they also record temperature. Lade recorded 13.8°C in February 2014, but this is not included in the monthly records in the table as there should not be several stations at the same time in the data.

Proposed txt to add to the table:

All the monthly record lows are from 1955 or older, with half of them from before 1920. The all-time high was recorded July 22 1901, and the all-time low in February 1899. The most exceptional record is the May record low -9.6°C from 1900, 3.7°C colder than the second coldest May night. The earliest weather stations were located closer to the city center (Trondheim, 58 m), but from 1945 the only weather station has been located further form the center and at a higher elevation (Voll, 127 m and Tyholt, 113 m) thus at a colder location. Three of the monthly record highs are from after 2000. From 1982 - 1996 the city had no weather stations recording temperature, so in this period Trondheim Airport is used for averages. Temperatures have warmed in recent decades. The last overnight frost in June was in 1958, and the coldest night in May after year 2000 had low -2.7°C. A new sunrecorder was established by met.no in the city at Gløshaugen in late 2015, and recorded 1589 sunhours in 2016. Earlier sunrecorders had blocking issues due to terrain.

Climate data for Trondheim 1981-2010 (Voll, 127 m, extremes 1870-2016 also includes earlier stations)
Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Year
Record high °C (°F)	13.5 (56.3)	12.6 (54.7)	14.6 (58.3)	21.1 (70.0)	26.7 (80.1)	31.2 (88.2)	35 (95)	30.4 (86.7)	26 (79)	20.4 (68.7)	15.4 (59.7)	13.2 (55.8)	35 (95)
Mean daily maximum °C (°F)	1.2 (34.2)	1.5 (34.7)	4.2 (39.6)	8.5 (47.3)	13.4 (56.1)	16.2 (61.2)	18.9 (66.0)	18 (64)	14.1 (57.4)	9.1 (48.4)	4.2 (39.6)	1.7 (35.1)	9.3 (48.6)
Daily mean °C (°F)	−1.9 (28.6)	−1.6 (29.1)	0.9 (33.6)	4.9 (40.8)	9.2 (48.6)	12.5 (54.5)	15 (59)	14.2 (57.6)	10.6 (51.1)	6.1 (43.0)	1.4 (34.5)	−1.3 (29.7)	5.8 (42.5)
Mean daily minimum °C (°F)	−4.9 (23.2)	−4.7 (23.5)	−2.5 (27.5)	1.1 (34.0)	5.1 (41.2)	8.5 (47.3)	11 (52)	10.4 (50.7)	7 (45)	3 (37)	−1.3 (29.7)	−4.3 (24.3)	2.4 (36.3)
Record low °C (°F)	−25 (−13)	−26 (−15)	−22.7 (−8.9)	−15.3 (4.5)	−9.6 (14.7)	−0.8 (30.6)	0.6 (33.1)	1 (34)	−3.5 (25.7)	−12.6 (9.3)	−18.7 (−1.7)	−24 (−11)	−26 (−15)
Average precipitation mm (inches)	78.2 (3.08)	65.9 (2.59)	56.1 (2.21)	44.7 (1.76)	51.9 (2.04)	68.5 (2.70)	88.8 (3.50)	90.2 (3.55)	92.1 (3.63)	81.2 (3.20)	73.8 (2.91)	82 (3.2)	873.4 (34.37)
Average precipitation days (≥ 1.0 mm)	14	13	12	10	11	12	12	14	14	14	13	14	153
Source 1: eklima.met.no
Source 2: Meteo-climat

Orcaborealis (talk) 20:50, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

References

location on Map of Norway

The city appears to be incorrectly located on the Map of Norway. The red dot is placed near the location of Aure instead. Sihrtogg (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Add foreign population

Add foreign population Deniz Kıray (talk) 15:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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