Talk:Religious affiliations of presidents of the United States

Trump's denomination

In this article: https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2020/10/24/trump-confirmed-presbyterian-now-identifies-non-denominational

they say Trump is a Nondenominational Christian, so why does it say in the table that he is a Protestant? איתן קרסנטי (talk) 10:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Error in a paragraph

This article states that Protestants are the "predominate" religious group, yet then states that the "most prevalent" religious groups are Episcopalians and Presbyterians. "Predominate" and "most prevalent" mean the same thing.

Do a search and see these are all different groups. Episcopalians describe themselves as "Protestant, yet Catholic." But that does not mean that they are either one. That means that they might share some ideologies or beliefs with both. I would not place Episcopalian under the umbrella of Protestantism. Why would we when it also takes ideas from the Catholics? I suppose we could say it is some sort of child of both -- some sort of offspring (I'm not sure). But for sure, it is its own thing. An Episcopalian says they are Episcopalian -- not Protestant. Or some say, "Protestant, yet Catholic," just so other people get an idea of what they believe; sometimes it is good to speak on something familiar to someone to describe something unfamiliar to them. MusicHuman (talk) 21:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I need support from other Wikipedian.

I am new as a Wikipedian and can embarrass myself. Not really having tried to edit a topic yet.  Remember this as you evaluate my example of improvement. Two or three rejection I can deal with though I dislike.

In one Biblical Church the saved were called Christian. The meaning of Christian inhabits that of meaning Christianity as if it were member being in the Church within their church building. Unless other than the nature of things "Christian" has a general meaning most read and most accept as common. When referring to the occupation of the title existing along side the title President ( and here in this article many different title are used side by side which bothers me as to it's truthfulness ) as either occupied or not there is a better word to be used than Christian. When a title in a persons past life explains past and present ( and may be explains future ) circumstance a person commits to being this. Any person can commit even when that person is smaller than any title offered and has no title. A person commits to a title making a person committed to and carrying out all work associated with this title by the person accepting this title which proves the person with the title. Past present and future, the meaning is the same for as long as the title sticks when the title is kept.

I am not saying that there is no need for denoting reference to single or multiple belief, only that calling this Christian is not a correct way of having this done. "Religious affiliations of presidents of the United States" being the topic. ( "Commitments of presidents of the United States" being a better title. ) ( This is not to disgrace those who are Christian. ) In stead I am suggesting that as one choice we use the word and meaning "commitment" in place of "Christian" with it's better meaning, removing Christian as a try. "Commitment" is a larger and more enveloping meaning to what any "commit" to. ( and since Christian are protected in the United States Of America from any type of harm, mind, body, and soul, it is not only wrong to use Christian in this sense but also punishable. An example of this punishment is comparable with a member having said or done some small wrong within the large Church, catches hell outside the church. This being offensive to the person harmed is by Church decision to be refunded to the offended in the manner agreed on by both. Christian is a title only, and one people in the United States Of America take seriously. The Wikipedian who used "Christian" here has to some degree, small or large, offended the Christian. If small enough, a simple "I am sorry, I apologize" after fixing the problem,  often makes things right.

An example of the finished work will look like this: 11 | James K. Polk |commitment | Protestant | Methodist | Methodist | 1845–1849 | Never baptized until on his deathbed. Formerly more or less affiliated with Presbyterian churches. He eventually received a deathbed Methodist baptism by Methodist preacher John Berry McFerrin.[24]

I question many other title word definition such as "Protestant" "Methodist" and "Methodist" ( from the example I gave ) only will leave this for a future date when with help I can start to correct any mistake. At the moment the title "Christian" with it's use bothers me. I respect our President. Leroy 11-28-1952 (talk) 03:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

James Monroe

The section titled Nonreligious Presidents explicitly describes zero evidence for Monroe's religious thoughts. And yet, the list of Formal Affiliations had him listed as an Episcopalian. That is an example of apologists at work. I have altered the list to the proper information, i.e. None Specified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.21.168 (talk) 13:37, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

You should have checked instead of assuming a negative and deleting it. I checked and according to PBS he was raised in the Anglican Church and it's unknown if he left or not.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/godinamerica-white-house/

You should undo your edit. He does has a formal connection according to a US government source. Odeaser (talk) 11:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Catholics not Christian?

Why does the affiliation totals table treat Roman Catholics as not Christian? This seems odd to say the least. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

I agreed. Catholics are most definitely Christians by all accounts of legitimate religious studies sources. The only sources that say Catholics are not Christian are Protestant sources which obviously have a bias against Catholics. Our own Wikipedia says as much. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church Odeaser (talk) 11:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Lincolns section Contradicts his page

On the page about Lincoln's religious view it says while he had skepticism early in his life it goes on to say he moved away from that and that "He frequently referred to God and had a deep knowledge of the Bible, often quoting it. Lincoln attended Protestant church services with his wife and children." I'm not really sure what threshold is being placed but if actively attending church and referring to God and the Bible isn't Christian, it's to high. Odeaser (talk) 11:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Here is the page I am referring to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Abraham_Lincoln Odeaser (talk) 11:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)