Talk:Crazy (Willie Nelson song)

List

See discussion in Vfd page, where this thing was about to be merged with the linked list anyway. An article called Crazy (song) should be about a song called "Crazy". A list should have a title reflecting the fact that it is a list, such as List of songs titled "Crazy". Jgm 03:39, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Crazy (song). dbenbenn | talk 02:17, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Could we please have a complete list of covers of this song? The article currently only lists 3 notable covers. I think a complete list would be informative. dbenbenn | talk 02:24, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Doesn't make sense to me

'Zakk Wylde's Black Label Society uses Patsy Cline's "Crazy" as an introduction.'

Maybe I'm being thick but that makes no sense to me?78.147.66.159 (talk) 16:52, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Nash

This song is the Theme Song for Nash Bozard's series "What the Fuck is Wrong With You"

Orphaned references in Crazy (Willie Nelson song)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Crazy (Willie Nelson song)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "British Hit Singles & Albums":

• From Shirley Bassey: Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. pp. 44–45. ISBN 1-904994-10-5.
• From Mona Lisa (Nat King Cole song): Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. p. 134. ISBN 1-904994-10-5.
• From All the Way (Frank Sinatra song): Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. p. 135. ISBN 1-904994-10-5.
• From Lyn Paul: Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. p. 420. ISBN 1-904994-10-5.
• From Sammy Masters: Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. p. 354. ISBN 1-904994-10-5.
• From You Light Up My Life (song): Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. p. 136. ISBN 1-904994-10-5.
• From The Kills: Roberts, David (2006). British Hit Singles & Albums (19th ed.). London: Guinness World Records Limited. p. 301. ISBN 1-904994-10-5.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

pop culture

To editor Bob Watson: Per MOS:POPCULT, adding the content you have is ill-advised. Further, it violates WP:V because it's all uncited. We actually expect you to add worthwhile, sourced content. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Patsy Cline version: session information

The site http://patsycline.info/decca.html contains the following information about the session. The recording began on August 21, 1961 with Harold Bradley (6-string electric bass), Owen Bradley (organ), Floyd Cramer (piano), Buddy Harman (drums), Walter Haynes (steel guitar), Randy Hughes (acoustic guitar), The Jordanaires (vocals), Grady Martin (electric guitar), and Bob Moore (musician) (acoustic bass). It also states that Cline recorded her vocal on September 15, 1961. I don't know if this site would be considered a reliable source or if it's user-generated content, which is generally not considered reliable. If this information's needed at all, does anyone have a better source?--2601:153:901:60C0:189C:4A83:A89D:43C5 (talk) 06:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

That's source is also in the Patsy Cline (1962 EP) article, so I see no reason why it can't be used here.--2601:153:901:60C0:4525:1FBC:E3D3:D93A (talk) 00:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Unexplained removal of personnel list

A personnel list had previously been added to the article with this source http://www.patsycline.info/decca.html which was later replaced by a source to the original liner notes of the Showcase album, presumably because it's a more reliable source, and while not the user who added the album notes source "Crazy" (this article), ChrisTofu11961 (talk · contribs) added that source to the album article, and the Walkin' After Midnight and I Fall to Pieces articles, so I don't see why the same can't be done here. Having said that, I'm gonna go ahead and restore the personnel list, citing the original album notes.--2601:153:881:3D60:2943:3960:CA1B:E3DD (talk) 05:50, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Absolutely. A mistake while pasting content I prepared on Wordpad. Sorry about that!--GDuwenHoller! 20:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Yet another review for you; sending the best of my wishes! --K. Peake 08:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Nice to be working on our next collaboration, and as usual, thanks for taking over the responsibility! Now, let's get the ball rolling--GDuwenHoller! 21:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I am very glad to hear your positive response and as always, it is a pleasure working together! --K. Peake 21:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Why is the release date listed as October 16, 1961, when the body only says the month?
• Quonset Hut Studio → Quonset Hut, as you are not supposed to have the term "studio" in that parameter
• Add after the popularized part "for her second studio album, Showcase (1961)."
• The second sentence is retrospective material and belongs after the info about Cline's decision to record this; move it to the start of the first para instead
• Merge the second para with the first per size, also this ties in with Nelson writing the song and why Cline recorded a version
• Pipe Houston, Texas to Houston
• ""Crazy" reached Patsy Cline." → "the song reached Patsy Cline."
• Pipe Hot Country Singles to Hot Country Songs
• "as a top ten single." → "as a top 10 single." per MOS:NUM
• "in films; many publications listed it among the all-time best country songs." → "in TV programmes, while many publications listed it to best songs lists."

• • The release date was already there when I started the article. An edition of Billboard of that particular day says that it was already getting spins in some cities, which I assume it means it was already released. Let's leave it at October 1961.
  • As in Quonset Hut Studio, I would say "Studio" is capitalized because it is the name of the building itself. Pretty much like Sun Studio. Since we are refering to the building itself, I think it's in order.
  • I wouldn't consider mentioning the album in this particular case. Singles were more important than albums at the time "Crazy" was released. So you could say that the album was more of a consequence of the success of "Crazy" or "I Fall to Pieces" than anything. Record companies would put a single or two by the artist, and if they picked up steam, they would usually put together the rest of the songs quite quickly in follow-up recording sessions to get enough material to release an album. That strategy changed to what we have today by the late 60s, as at that time they were still figuring out the whole album promotion thing.--GDuwenHoller! 21:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Background and writing

• Wikilink Houston as itself instead
• "plus a job as a writer" → "as well as a job as a writer"
• "moved to Houston where" → "moved to Houston, where"
• Pipe Esquire Ballroom to Neon Boots Dancehall & Saloon
• Pipe reel-to-reel tape recorder to Reel-to-reel audio tape recording
• "Later he also" → "Later, he also"
• Wikilink Pasadena, Texas on the img text
• Shouldn't the title be written as "Night Life" instead?
• "At the time Nelson's" → "At the time, Nelson's"
• "his of lack stable employment" → "his lack of stable employment"
• "he compared his lot with those of" → "he compared his money with that of" or something similar since "lot" is not appropriate
• "world was asleep."" → "world was asleep"." per MOS:QUOTE
• The speech marks should not be inside the title "Family Bible" on any occasions
• "he was arrested" → "Nelson was arrested"
• "He then decided to" → "Nelson then decided to"
• Wikilink Nashville, Tennessee
• Italicise Grand Ole Opry

Yea, there was a little bit of copyedit work that included some of those unusual sentences. All fixed now.--GDuwenHoller! 21:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Pasty Cline's recording

• Wikilink Pasty Cline and Decca Records on the img text
• Wikilink country music
• Merge the first and second paras per short sizes
• Remove comma before Owen Bradley
• Remove commas around Charlie Dick
• Remove full-stop inside the title "Night Life"
• Remove full-stop inside the title "Crazy"
• Remove duplicate usage of alternative
• Why is there a colon after the book title?
• Add info to the audio sample text about what parts of the song it demonstrates
• "Cline's producer, Owen Bradley, planned to" → "Bradley planned to"
• Wikilink jazz
• Lowercase the Jordanaires per MOS:THEMUSIC
• "pianist Floyd Cramer and" → "pianist Floyd Cramer, and"
• "and Bradley had" → "and Owen Bradley had" since the last Bradley mentioned was a different one; only keep as current if this is actually Harold Bradley again
• "asked Cline use her" → "asked Cline to use her"
• "During that September 15 session," → "During the session on September 15, 1961," to be specific
• "behind the beat , but" → "behind the beat, but"

 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:18, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Release and reception

• Img looks good!
• "Hot Country Singles[31] and it crossed over to the pop charts where it reached" → "Hot Country Singles,[31] and crossed over to the pop charts, reaching" with the pipe
• Stylize as Billboard Hot 100 instead, piping to Billboard Hot 100
• Remove comma before "I Fall to Pieces", also the comma afterwards should not be inside the title
• "and perfect diction."" → "and perfect diction"." per MOS:QUOTE
• "National Public Radio , New Musical Express and" → "National Public Radio, New Musical Express, and" with the pipes
• "in the United States list. " → "on the United States list."
• Pipe The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time to Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time
• I don't think the 2021 ranking is notable, as it is the same publication giving the list and also a lower position
• "In 2018 it was included" → "In 2018, the song was included"
• Remove wikilink on New Musical Express
• "list,[37] in 2019," → "list;[37] in 2019," plus the latter list is missing the closing speech mark

All done, except that I disagree with removing the 2021 ranking. I think it is relevant to keep a progression of how the song moves throughout the list (it may even disappear at some point). You may attribute it to the passing of the years, you may attribute it to the the attempts of Rolling Stone to modify the list according to their current ideas, whatever. It may be the fabric for discussion in ten or twenty years from now. It would be not neutral nor encyclopaedical to add any commentary for the time being on this, but we could present the reader with the information for them to draw their own conclusions.--GDuwenHoller! 21:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Personnel

• Good

Other versions

• "was released in 2003's" → "was released on 2003's"
• Italicise Hasten Down the Wind and add the release year in brackets
• "In 1993 Canadian country music singer" → "In 1993, Canadian country music singer" and mention he charted with a cover of the song
• Introduce LeAnn Rimes as an American singer
• "In the United Kingdom, it reached number 36 on the Singles chart." → "It reached number 36 on the UK Singles Chart."
• The title "Can't Let Go" should not have a full-stop inside
• Italicise The Masked Singer

 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Chart performance

• Retitle to Charts and certifications

 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Patsy Cline

• Add a caption to the certifications table and make it a sub-section of this sub

Caption added. Do we need a another subsection for the subsection of a subsection? Kind of got dizzy there haha, but does the caption not suffice?--GDuwenHoller! 21:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Other artists

• Diverse artists → Various artists, for more appropriate caption language

 Done--GDuwenHoller! 21:41, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio score looks fantastic at 16.7%!!!
• Make sure that date formatting is consistent
• Wikilink Associated Press and Newspapers.com on the first instances
• Wikilink Simon & Schuster on the first instance, also cite The A.V. Club as work/website with the wikilink
• Pipe Vogue to Vogue (magazine)
• Pipe Billboard to Billboard (magazine) on the first instance
• Wikilink Google Books on the first instance
• Wikilink NME
• Pipe Doubleday Publishing Group to Doubleday (publisher)
• Wikilink Los Angeles Times on the first instance
• Wikilink University of Illinois Press on the first instance
• Pipe Hal Leonard Corporation to Hal Leonard LLC on the first instance
• Wikilink American Songwriter and fix MOS:QWQ issues
• Wikilink The Tennesseean on the first instance
• The Tennesean → The Tennesseean
• Wikilink The Sacramento Bee
• Wikilink National Recording Registry and Library of Congress
• Wikilink Krause Publications
• Wikilink Cooper Square Press
• Pipe Hachette UK to Hachette (publisher) on the first instance
• Pipe Random House Publishing Group to Random House
• The Los Angeles Times → Los Angeles Times
• Cite Official Charts Company instead for all of those refs and as publisher, wikilinking on the first instance
• Fix MOS:QWQ issues with Biography source
• Simon and Schuster → Simon & Schuster
• Wikilink Rolling Stone on the first instance
• Wikilink The Pittsburgh Press
• Wikilink Houston Press
• Pipe Vulture to Vulture.com on the first instance per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Remove or replace Daily Express per WP:DAILYEXPRESS
• Cite NPR as publisher instead with the wikilink

 Done--GDuwenHoller! 22:05, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

External links

• Good

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold until all of the issues are fixed; went through that large article quickly! --K. Peake 21:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: It was indeed quick one more time! My first run through the article is done. I left a few comments above. Outside of that, I failed to spot the inconsistent formatting with the dates on the sources.--GDuwenHoller! 22:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

GDuwen It is fine about the lead, 2021 ranking and certifications, though the inconsistent date formatting is when you are using ones like 2022-02-05. --K. Peake 08:13, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I think one of those wikibots just linked the archival versions of each of the cited websites and set that format per default. I'll see if I get to change it manually.--GDuwenHoller! 19:23, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: I did manage to change them!--GDuwenHoller! 19:28, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

GDuwen ✓ Pass now, very good on resolving that last problem! --K. Peake 07:21, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kyle Peake: Great working with you one more time, thanks for taking the time to review.--GDuwenHoller! 19:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:50, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

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Patsy Cline in 1960

• ... that Patsy Cline's (pictured) version of Willie Nelson's song "Crazy" was the all-time most played song in jukeboxes in the United States 35 years after its release? Source: Associated Press staff (October 26, 1996). "Flash". Vol. 113, no. 94. Tampa Bay Times. Associated Press. Retrieved November 24, 2021 – via Newspapers.com.
  • ALT1: ... that after a car accident Patsy Cline (pictured) could not reach the notes to match Willie Nelson's phrasing while recording "Crazy", and that she needed a second session? Source: p.241 Duncan, Dayton; Burns, Ken (2019). Country Music: An Illustrated History. Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group. ISBN 978-0-525-52055-9.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Ivory Soap

Improved to Good Article status by GDuwen (talk). Self-nominated at 19:42, 11 February 2022 (UTC).

• The basics:
  • New enough (promoted to GA same day it was nominated).
  • Long enough.
  • On a review of the article to look for policy issues:
    • I'll note that the article could use another pass of copyediting. There are a handful sentences that could be clearer and errors like 'Cline's husband Charlie Dick had previously taken her a demo of Nelson's "Night Life" Cline disliked the song'. This isn't required to pass DYK, though.
    • Also FYI the other juke box chart figure includes a source labeled Newsweek but the link itself goes to an article in the LA Times.
    • Not seeing any issues with V, RS, or NPOV (which would be a surprise since it just passed a GA review).
• The hook:
  • I like the hook, and the but "was" sounds a little awkward. Would recommend just adding the year or another way to make the time clearer (e.g. "as of 1996" or "35 years after its release" or something).
• The rest:
  • QPQ complete (remember to sign your review over there).
  • Image looks suitable. It relies on a missing copyright notice, which is always tricky, but no reason to think there's an issue.
• Ok. I think we're good to go here. Just putting on hold based on my note about the hook above. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:00, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Thanks for taking the time to review my DYK. Let's leave it at "35 years after its release". I wrote "was" since the importance of jukebox plays is pretty much irrelevant to the music industry these days. About copyediting the article, there's always room for improvement!--GDuwenHoller! 19:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

@GDuwen: The only issue with "became ... 35 years after" is it implies the song wasn't #1 before that. "was" was fine there with the "35 years after" added. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:43, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: Well, let's put back the "was" in there then. But in the previous 1989 list it appeared at number 2.--GDuwenHoller! 19:13, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 02:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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