Talk:Charles Gounod

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Introduction[edit]

Why are there two different references to "Que ferons-nous" in the introduction. I'm not saying the piece does not deserve mention at all, but I think it gets a bit too much attention in the introduction...

I took it out. The song doesn't exist - it translates to "What are we going to do with the pumpkin ragout" and was allegedly from an opera describing recipes for children. It was clearly a joke edit! Mkubica (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth[edit]

I've put Gounod's birthdate as June 17, although some sources give June 18. I think most of the June 17 sources are older, and June 18 is probably a result of more recent scholarship, but I can't check this right now, so I'm leaving it at June 17 because we have him listed as born on that page. If anybody knows better, please change. --Camembert

(Later) - actually, most modern sources seem to give June 17 as well - I think I was just looking at some dodgy books. --Camembert

The very reliable source of Sadie, S. (ed.) (1980) The New Grove Dictionary of Music & Musicians, [vol. # 7] lists June 18. -- Michael David 15:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This site, maintained by Gounod’s great-great-grandson, who one would think would have access to all the records, says he was born 17 June 1818 and died 17 October (not 18 October) 1893. I for one tend to place some trust in this. If he was really born on 17 June 1818, it would be easy to see how an 18 could be transposed into the day; but if he was really born on 18 June 1818, it's hard to see how a 17 could enter the equation. Other sites say he was born in 1817, not 1818. This even says: "The generally accepted date of Gounod's birth, 1818, has been disputed by an old friend and pupil of his mother, who states it must have been as early as 1811 or 1812." There are so many permutations of these dates out there, most dealing with various combinations of 17s and 18s, that it may be necessary to gain access to his birth and death certificates to be sure. -- JackofOz (talk) 08:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It couldnt hurt to cite the varying sources. Slominsky, a stickler for these details, gives June 17, 1818-Oct. 18, 1893 without further comment in Baker's (7th ed). The Online Grove I'm looking at agrees with both of these! James Harding (Gounod, 1973) gives October 17 "at twenty five past six in the morning" for Gounod's death. Sparafucil (talk) 21:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of name[edit]

Pronunciation of name? EreinionFile:RAHSymbol.JPG 01:53, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Goo"+"no". Had I known this before taking public speaking, much embarassment would have been saved. "Goo", as in "gooey". "No" as in the opposite of "yes". - Nunh-huh 01:58, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. I appreciate it. EreinionFile:RAHSymbol.JPG 22:17, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

You've heard the story of the English tourist in Weimar? "Who's this Goaty I keep seeing statues of?" "It is not 'Goaty"! He is Goethe, the immortal author of Faust." "Well I'd never seen it spelled before. But you know, in England we pronounce it...." Sparafucil (talk) 21:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Page for Compositions[edit]

I said this on the Jules Massenet page but I think the same thing is true for Charles Gounod. Lots of other composers have their own separate page just for their compositions instead of having it all on their main page. Why not do the same for Charles Gounod? We can keep the "highlights" that he's famous for on the main page, anything that has its own page.

Boondigger (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3rd symphony[edit]

is there a bona fide reference (a major biography or the score itself) which refers to the Petite Symphonie as the 3rd Symphony? I have never seen this before. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 12:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard of such a thing. It shouldn't even be listed in his orchestral works since, despite being named "Petite Symphonie", it's actually a wind decet (2 each of flutes, oboes, clarinets, horns and bassoons). It's a chamber work, no more and no less. -- JackofOz (talk) 12:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Novet, actually. There's only one flute. By the way, there's now a recordding of it. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There have been numerous recordings over many years. It's not new to the catalogue. -- JackofOz (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS. That's nonet, not novet. :) -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 00:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Guitar section[edit]

Looking at this article for the first time, as far as I can recall, I am struck by the fact that 384 words of the total 1,250 – that is, a little over 30% of it – are devoted to a guitar of no great interest other than that it belonged to Gounod. Would anyone object to its severe trimming? A couple of sentences, at most, would seem about right. Tim riley talk 11:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review[edit]

I have expanded the article and put it up for peer review here. I'm hoping for input, so please do look in. Tim riley talk 12:47, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

File:Charles Gounod (1890) by Nadar.jpg to appear as POTD soon[edit]

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Charles Gounod (17 June 1818 – 18 October 1893) was a French composer who wrote twelve operas, the most popular of which is Faust (1859). After studying in Paris, his musical career was launched when he won the prestigious Prix de Rome for composition. Studying at the French Institute in Rome made impressions on him both spiritually and musically that stayed with him for the rest of his life. Back in Paris in 1843, he was appointed chapel master of the church of the Missions étrangères before turning to the theatre. His successful musical career was interrupted by the Franco-Prussian War, and in 1870 he moved to London. By the time he returned to Paris a few years later, he remained a respected figure, but was regarded as old-fashioned and further operatic success eluded him. This photograph of Gounod, dating from 1890, was taken by the French portrait photographer Nadar.Photograph credit: Nadar; restored by Adam Cuerden

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