Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Willenborg

Note regarding all The Apprentice 2 candidates: The nominator states that these are nonnotable game show contestants. I do not know of any game show that has extensive profiles, interviews and videos of each and every one of its contestants. NBC decided that these people are important enough that each merits several pages on its web site. You don't see this for Jeopary, Wheel of Fortune, The Price is Right, etc. These people fall into a different category from game show contestants.[[User:Nricardo|--Nelson Ricardo >>Talk<<]] 18:48, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

• So I just got the latest issue of TV Guide and who should be on the cover but Donald Trump and two unnotables. Somebody should tell them not to put unimportant people on the cover.[[User:Nricardo|--Nelson Ricardo >>Talk<<]] 02:08, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

John Willenborg

Nonnotable game show contestant. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:23, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Any harm in making these all redirects? Or delete, whichever's easier. That goes for all of these, they should be listed together; I can't see anyone voting differently on any two of them. —Rory ☺ 16:37, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete: Let them go back to their reality and leave ours. Geogre 16:57, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Redirect. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 17:15, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
• KEEP and learn the difference between a game show and reality television. Every one of these candidates is notable for the fact that they made it onto the program.[[User:Nricardo|--Nelson Ricardo >>Talk<<]] 17:20, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
  • I respectfully disagree on both points. "Reality TV" (at least, as currently applied on US TV) does equal "Game show". Contestants do not automatically meet the generally accepted standards of notability for Wikipedia. Rossami 18:53, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge & redirect. It's a game show - a bunch of contestants jump through hoops and the winner gets a prize. And these candidates are notable enough to have their names mentioned in the article on the game show, NOT notable enough to have their own articles. Please consider this vote to also apply to the sea of other game show contestants listed below. —Stormie 00:50, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
• Redirect to The Apprentice 2. Merge to the extent appropriate. Candidates on this show do not deserve individual articles. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 18:28, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. --Improv 18:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. This stub contains less info than in the candidate list on The_Apprentice_2. --Ianb 18:43, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect into a single page. All of these substubs do not need an individual article. TheMetal 18:52, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Jayjg 19:01, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to The Apprentice 2. 12.151.135.2 19:14, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Oops, this was my vote. I forgot to login before editing. Spatch 19:15, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. We had this discussion before when we deleted 2 of the pages. A game show (Or reality TV, if you want to get technical) does not make someone notable. Not even winning it. Let me ask you, who knows (and cares) about the name of the winner for the Apprentice without having to look it up? And where would you look it up? In the article for The Apprentice, not the article for whatever his name is. -Vina 19:16, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Oh, and is it really necessary to have to vote delete on all the other entries? Can we just combine them? -Vina 19:16, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• User:Rossami said it best. Delete. Lacrimosus 21:27, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. Binadot 22:47, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect into the article on the show - SimonP 22:59, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete until they've actually done something notable. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 01:06, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete and merge - not notable. Being a game show contestant doesn't make a person notable. A reality TV show is a complex game show that keeps the same contestants (or a subset thereof) throughout the series, but still just a game show. Let this count as a delete vote for all the game show contestants listed below unless they're notable for another reason. -- Zwilson 03:01, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. These people are only of any note whatsoever directly though this one programme. IF they go on to achieve anything noteworthy afterwards (and that's a big if), then they would become noteworthy. I'd add this comment to the rest of them if I could be bothered. Oh, and it definitely is a game show. A reality show is a fly-on-the-wall documentary, not a competition designed by the TV company. Average Earthman 09:23, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete not notable Wolfman 16:43, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, even though this puts me on Nricardo's "shit list." Taco Deposit | Talk-o Deposit 18:25, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete them all. No one's going to remember these people a month from now. Pyrop 01:15, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Ambi 12:12, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. Same goes for all these people below. They should be listed on a page for The Apprentice, as participants in Apprentice 2, with a recap of what happens... IF that much. Baryonyx 01:07, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect into the article on the show - Alfio 16:46, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • 'Comment: Check Ianb's comment above and advise what information you want to merge, on this and all the similar articles on which you voted, presumably after careful consideration. Jallan 20:20, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • I hadn't checked the show's article, now I see that the information is already there. I change to delete and delete all my votes below too :-))
• Keep. Notable. anthony (see warning) 19:15, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
• Delete Just imagine what kind of effect these names have in five years time. They will mean absolutely nothing to anybody. Dieter Simon 23:38, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)