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Daniel and Abigail[edit]

I write this for the 'Talk' page instead of the article because I have serious doubts of it authenticity. I found a very interesting explanation of their delayed marriage. The explanation runs:

Daniel and Abigail set up housekeeping but didn't marry for a dozen years. She was an indentured bond servant. Her family came to America by signing themselves into virtual slavery for a period of years. Finding the conditions of her service unacceptable, she ran away. Thus, calling legal attention to her presence in the first years would result in her being returned to her master.

Historic author James Graham offered a shorter version of this explanation. I find it credible for the time and customs. But, I have found several inaccuracies in his work. He had a tendency to embroider facts to make a better story. Also, he offered no source or footnote to his observation. I won't put any version of this into the article without at least one other independent source.

I write this for the talk page in the hope that another Wikipedian might find that source. I would especially appreciate help from anyone with access to colonial Virginia records. The question is "Was Abigail Bailey an indentured servant?" Any record of this would probably be in the 1755-1761 time frame. Comment here or on my User Talk page or by E-mail. Thanks, Lou I 11:18, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Morgan?[edit]

The article lists Henry Morgan as being related to Daniel Morgan, but there is no cited source. Is this true? And shouldn't a source be listed? If so write it down!

wrong Date given?[edit]

The site http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=M000946 states: "brigadier general in the Continental Army October 30, 1780;"; article gives different date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.187.235.38 (talk) 23:21, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy?[edit]

The article says Morgan moved from NJ to VA at age 16, after a fight with his father. That would be 1752, but right before that it says his father died in 1748. Can anyone clarify? Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 15:32, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First cousin of Daniel Boone?[edit]

I wrote up Edward Morgan Log House and a pretty reliable source Morgan Log House, see especially, Genealogy gives Edward Morgan as Daniel Morgan's ancestor, in particular the genealogy gives Edward's son as Joseph, who married Elizabeth Lloyd - which are the same names and approx. same dates as Daniel's parents. In any case I feel confident enough about this source to put in Edward as Daniel's grandfather. But Edward was also the grandfather of Daniel Boone - this connection is solid. So it seems that Daniel Morgan and Daniel Boone were first cousins. That is just one step too far for me without calling it OR - and it's odd that nobody seems to have mentioned this before. I'll keep an eye out for further evidence and sources, but if anybody has better info or comments, please let me know. Smallbones (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I have found some possible connection, but it's iffy enough that I'm going to forget about it for now, perhaps it will be useful later.

"9-8, 1728. Marriage of Joseph Morgan, son of Edward of Gwynedd, Co. of Phila., and Elizabeth Lloyd, daughter of Thomas. Witnessed (among others) by Squire Boone, Edward Morgan, William, John, Dorothy and Sarah Morgan (from the records of Radnor (PA) Monthly Meeting)....

It has been stated that one of Sarah Morgan's brothers (a son of Edward) was the father of General Daniel Morgan of Revolutionary fame. There seems reason to doubt this, as Daniel Morgan's biographer, James Graham, who wrote "Life of General Daniel Morgan of the Virginia Line" (New York, 1856), states that Morgan's parentage was unknown, and that General Morgan himself never mentioned his family or parents to his friends and associates. It would be interesting to know that these two famous fighters of the Revolutionary period, Daniel Morgan and Daniel Boone, were first cousins, but we have found no adequate proof of this connection."

in [1]

Title The Boone family: a genealogical history of the descendants of George and Mary Boone, who came to America in 1717 : containing many unpublished bits of early Kentucky history : also a biographical sketch of Daniel Boone, the pioneer, by one of his descendants

Author Jesse Procter Crump Compiled by Hazel Atterbury Spraker

Publisher Tuttle Co., 1922

The first part states that Squire and Sarah Boone witnessed her brother Joseph's wedding to Elizabeth Lloyd - the same names we have here for Daniel Morgan's parents (where did we get these?)

But the second part says the author can't find proof of the specific question I asked "Are Daniel Morgan and Daniel Boone first cousins?"

Interesting, but I'll leave it to others. Smallbones (talk) 01:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The French and Indian War Addition[edit]

The following was added: Eventually, Morgan joined the militia, and was present at Fort Edward, where he is credited with having turned back an Indian attack, by killing four attackers himself, then leading a counter-attack with the shout "Let's follow the red devils!"[1] His superiors recommended him for a promotion to Captain, though the governor failed to do so, promoting him instead to Ensign. The link given make no mention of Morgan *at* Fort Edwards,but merely on the road, running from some Indians. (It would also be helpful if we could get a tribal name, so the readers knows the players.) The governor didn't fail to give him a captain's slot, since there was no opening available. The governor gave him the job that was open. A subtle difference, but it conveys intention. Upon further research, this paragraph can be cut-and-pasted back with corrections.

References

  1. ^ Daniel Morgan: Role in the French And Indian War

Saratoga section[edit]

A long intro to the Battle of Saratoga was added. I reverted it for two reasons:

  • It definitely needs references
  • It barely mentioned Morgan

The first and hopefully the second problem can be repaired. Probably it should be shortened a bit as well. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:35, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Advantage of rifles[edit]

Rifles were only advantageous if you were a sharpshooter, for normal infantry a smooth-bore musket with bayonet was better. The main drawback of rifles was the slow rate of fire, and the lack of bayonets; hence a determined counter- charge would see most sharpshooters run for their lives. Riflemen could only operate under cover of normal infantry. Hence the statement about the "advantages" of a rifle is greatly exaggerated. Creuzbourg (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's about the range. If you were American, you'd know this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.35.17 (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You mean, if I was an American, I would buy into the myths propagated by Hollywood. And please, avoid ad hominem attacks. Otherwise it might be a nasty discussion.Creuzbourg (talk) 21:48, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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