Talk:Lateralus

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<^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>[edit]

Sources?[edit]

Could we please get some sources? I see all these claims in the trivia section, but nothing to support them. Such as ...

""Eon Blue Apocalypse" is said to be about Adam Jones' Great Dane named Whiskers, that had cancer and died, according to an interview with Danny Carey."

"The fourth track, "Mantra", was alleged to be a slowed-down recording of someone—possibly an old woman—saying "I love you". Keenan has since stated that the song is a slowed-down recording of one of his Siamese cats being squeezed."

"The vocal on "Faaip de Oiad" is a recording of a hoax call from a 1997 conversation on Art Bell's radio program Coast to Coast AM. The caller, in a frantic tone, claimed to have been previously employed at Area 51 and stated that the true nature of aliens were that of "extra-dimensional beings" that have infiltrated the military establishment and plan to destroy the world's large population centers to more easily control the remaining humans. The caller called back during the same program to confirm the hoax. "Faaip de Oiad" is Enochian for "the voice of God." Described as Danny Carey's personal percussion piece for the album (as was "(–) Ions" on Ænima), he can be heard drumming intensely in the background along with sounds of static and various electronic debris."

"In the song "Lateralus," the line "as below so above and beyond I imagine" is a reference to astrology, specifically the Hermetic maxim - "as above so below" - the theory that the stars parallel everything in occurence on earth.""

Primarily the third one ... but all of these need sources, otherwise they're just utterly baseless claims. 203.166.251.194 12:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Afaik most of the trivia originates from the tool faq at toolshed. At least the info bout mantra, eon blue apoc, faaip de oiad.. dunno about the lateralus reference though. I recall an interview with manyard where he stated that he wrote a lot of the lyrics of lateralus spontanously during the recording sessions, which doesn't contradict any deeper references but makes them unlikely. --Johnnyw 12:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another source for these claims is found at To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed. which includes the original document that circulated the net about the Lateralus/Fibbonacci sequence. I'm not very wiki-savvy, so I'm not sure if this could count as an official citation. -AH

  • I don't recall the note about the "as below so above" reference being in the Tool FAQ either, but the info about EBA, Mantra, and FdO are definitely there. Willbyr 13:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-> I removed a "citation needed tag from the statement "This would, allowed to continue onwards, theoretically create a never-ending and infinitely-expanding spiral." in the "Composition and content" section. This statement follows directly from the immediately preceding statement, which includes an embedded link to the Fibonacci spiral page. The statement is a mathematical fact, not an opinion...129.97.168.13 (talk) 20:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The intro[edit]

The album's nearly 5 years old now and the first bit of infomation on this page is about the early title change annoying some of the media. Is that still relevant for an album page? How would it look if the first sentence on the Sgt Pepper page was the initial reaction to the title of some radio DJ? ... a bit silly methinks. Kansaikiwi 09:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You words in my ear. I think that was a good idea.. I rearranged the article a bit and expanded the systema story a bit to make it more comprehensible. Omitting the story would be a loss imho, since these rumors regarding upcoming Tool albums are quite notorious. --Johnnyw 15:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


HDCD?[edit]

So I heard that Lateralus was made on a special sort of CD, and I noticed an "HDCD" logo on the lower right-hand side of the back of the outer sleeve. What difference does this make? Do you have to have a special sort of CD player to harness whatever magical properties HDCDs have?

High Definition Compatible Digital Aottley 00:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The HDCD logo is actually misleading, as for many other HDCD releases. A software analysis[1] shows that there are no HDCD effects enabled except during digital silence (where it doesn't change anything). Good news is that the dynamic compression isn't enabled either, so there is nothing for a HDCD decoder to correct. I don't think it would improve the article to spend time explaining why this technically is a HDCD but with every piece of HDCD technology switched off except possibly where it doesn't change a single bit, so I propose to remove the entire reference to HDCD altogether. 84.208.83.178 (talk) 22:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC) Nils[reply]

References

  1. ^ "explanation provided by hdcd decoding software developer kode54".

Lyric edit needed in article[edit]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that this reference to the lyrics is incorrect: 

   [1] so
   [1] much
   [2] more and

It should be: 

   [1] so
   [1] much
   [2] more that

-Kris

I believe he sings 'and', which was also posted at the official Tool site. –Pomte 18:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citation[edit]

I don't know how to put a citation in but for the source about the Grudge being inspired by Nathaniel Hawthorne: http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.206.170 (talk • contribs)

Does the Toolshed FAQ really count as a reliable source? --King Bee 16:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. Kabir is in contact with the band, having taken lyrics directly from Maynard to be posted as the correct lyrics.


Faaip De Oiad[edit]

This is to document that the correct spelling for track 13 is "Faaip De Oiad", as it is spelled on the back of the CD's case. The spelling of "Faaip De Oaid" on the Tool Web site is a typo. I found two different English-Enochian dictionaries that contain the "Oiad" spelling and not the "Oaid" spelling: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/5777/enochian.txt http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/enoch1.txt -- Christopher C. Parker t c 17:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These two dictionaries are also listed as external links at the Enochian article. -- Christopher C. Parker t c 17:40, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
See also the discussion at http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7688886 -- Christopher C. Parker t c 17:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've got a few issues with the reference towards the Art Bell samples. First off, It's impossible the albumn was written 2 years before according to the introductory brief, furthermore the voices do not match. Somebody please fix that. -=DC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.229.85 (talk) 18:07, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another Citation[edit]

Well, I figured out how to create references. I changed the accent mark on the pronunciation for "Lateralus" and included a link to the video where Danny Carey says it. Hopefully it meets with everyone's satisfaction.

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WikiProject Tool workspace[edit]

Great review: http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/211444/review/5941101/lateralus Lara❤Love 02:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Album Name[edit]

i know there is a reference for the name of a muscle in the leg thing, but personally, i still doubt that story. i mean i wouldn't rule it out but i don't think that reference is particularly good. (that book on nu metal). i wouldn't trust it. i reckon it should be removed, anyone agree? (Jatoo (talk) 05:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard stated:

:"Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist — or as a human, I think — is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

Possible options for what muscle he speaks of:
  1. The Vastus Lateralis is a muscle in the thigh. One cannot walk without this muscle.
  2. The Lateralis Nasi descends along the side of the nose. In the booklet included with the CD, there is an image on page three (the one with the circle of eyes) in which you can see the Lateralis Nasi. It is the thick, red artery directly above the nostril.
  3. The Lateral Rectus is the ocular muscle whose contraction turns the eyeball outward. In Greek it is called the Rectus Lateralis. The eyeball art included with the CD supports this option.
As for the spelling variation (Lateralus as the title vs Lateralis for the muscles), when there are more than one muscle together, the latin plural form is Lateralus.
This information was gathered from http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html and http://toolnavy.com/archive/index.php/t-1533.html.
Lara❤Love 14:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The latin plural form of "lateralis" is "laterales". I believe "Lateralus" is a misspelling. Nelly4 (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)Nelly4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelly4 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced claims[edit]

  • The cover text is styled to resemble Arabic writing.
  • One month later, they revealed the real title and a completely different tracklist, much to the chagrin of several members of the media who had accepted and promoted the original title.

–Pomte 17:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Professional Reviews[edit]

I don't really know which reviews are considered professional and which aren't. I added a review from a site I'd like to add in different album articles, maintained by a reviewer who's been cited in other wikipedia articles. The main difference between him and a professional reviewer is that he doesn't get paid for his work. I don't know if that's what matters, the standard of the reviews are as high and professional as any of the biggest magazines'. Whoever's in charge of these kind of stuff, please inform me and check out the review if needed. It's Fluffhouse Music Reviews and has a link. Revan ltrl (talk) 23:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Discontinued??[edit]

I have noticed that on Amazon it claims this album has been "This item has been discontinued by the manufacturer." for two release dates of the audio CD and the cassette version. Does anybody know what the deal is with this? has this album gone into its final run? Ostrolphant (talk) 03:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pitchfork rating[edit]

The review scores box on the right says:

Pitchfork Media (1.9/10) [21]

However, after reading the actual review behind it ( http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8104-lateralus/ ), it sounds like 1.9 was meant to be very good, like an A-.

The review clearly says:

"Even as amazing as Lateralus is, I feel like there's a monster coming in three years. Music comes in cycles, and works on math, and my life and Tool are proof of that for sure." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.76.177.34 (talk) 11:27, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's because instead of giving Lateralus a negative review, they decided to make fun of a positive review that someone else wrote. If you're not familiar with them, Pitchfork are a bunch of pretentious music snobs, so they can get away with doing stuff like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.96.39 (talk) 06:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Minor Revision Suggestion[edit]

The last 2 paragraphs under the "Background" section seems to be out of context or out of order:

Two of the singles from the album, "Parabola" and "Schism", are featured in the video game Guitar Hero World Tour.

The insert is translucent and flips open to reveal the different layers of the human body. Disguised in the brain matter on the final layer is the word "God". The artwork was done by artist Alex Grey, who would later design the 3D edition cover for their fourth album 10,000 Days.


The paragraph before the two above talks about the vinyl edition of Salival. Then the next paragraph ("Two of...") talks about Guitar Hero and the paragraph after that goes back to talking about Salival. It would seem to make more sense to reverse the order of the last two paragraphs.

(Also, the last paragraph has a link to "human body." Why is that exactly?)

199.255.65.193 (talk) 21:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Overlapping sections[edit]

I don't want to meddle with Tool articles myself (too sensitive a subject as I have learned in the past), but the sections "Commercial Performance" and "Charts" partially overlap, and the second one contains unreferenced info that is outdated. The text in the "Charts" section should be merged into the "Commercial Performance" section. And on a somewhat less important note concerning the track list: the 2'10" silence is not at the end of track 12 but at the start of track 13. 94.226.67.22 (talk) 15:52, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About the Cover[edit]

The cover was one of the most frusrating things I've met. Why put a tiight plastic condom over the album? Don't they want the fans to get to the music? It was also very cheaply done. Teared easily and the postioning of the glued parts were not correct. Plastic over plastic, over plastc. Most musicians had turned into cardboard covers in 2001 and Tool just adds more plastic. Linkato1 (talk) 11:29, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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