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Type 1 diabetes[edit]

I am curious as whether or not Channing has ever commented on this; there are several publications that refer to her as a type 1 diabetic, as far back as 1980 in the book Diabetes Without Fear (ISBN 978-0-877-95294-7) and Diabetes For Dummies (ISBN 978-1-118-41231-2) from 2012, among others; however, it is never mentioned in Channing's autobiography Just Lucky I Guess: A Memoir of Sorts. I wonder where these claims originate from and whether or not they are true. Channing is frequently mentioned on diabetes and other health websites as a celebrity who has type 1 diabetes. Does anyone have knowledge of how this came about, and if there is truth to it? --Drown Soda (talk) 23:41, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Evidence contradicts timeline of family move to SF[edit]

The current main text has this timeline: Channing was born in Seattle on January 31 1921, her father was a city editor at the Seattle Star, he took a job in San Francisco and the family moved when Channing was two weeks old.

That would put the time of the family move in February 1921. But George Channing has at least three front page bylines in the Seattle Star after that. March 25 ("Our Pet Peeves"), June 24 ("Greed Kills Fish!"), and July 12 ("Old Bottle May Start Fire"). The subheader for the March article inplies George is a member of the Star's staff.

While it is possible that George Channing submitted articles by telegraph from San Francisco, it's more plausible that the move occurred later.

In fact, a YEAR later the March 15 1922 Star ran a photograph of Carol Elaine Channing, baby daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George Channing. This can be seen at chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn87093407/1922-03-15/ed-1/seq-10 . I wonder if Ms. Channing is aware of this photo. DiffuseGoose (talk) 00:21, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Diet[edit]

I knew her well, and she went to see every Broadway show to support her fellow performers. A well-known story was that one time she had to go to the bathroom, and upon returning to her seat was heard to say "Corn? Since when did I eat corn? JohnClarknew (talk) 23:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did her father teach her to sing spirituals?[edit]

This article mentions that her father was a Christian Scientist. I have heard it said that he taught her to sing spirituals. Vorbee (talk) 20:57, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Television appearances[edit]

I remember her appearing on Hollywood Squares and actually taking time out of the game for her to sing "Hello, Dolly!" with the other stars singing backup. If I had better documentation, I would add it. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maternal grandparents[edit]

The source that was previously given for Channing's maternal grandparents, Otto Glaser and Paulina Ottmann, being German Jews was page 50 from her memoir, Just Lucky I Guess. Reading the article, I noticed that, a couple grafs down from the line about their being Jewish, Channing was quoted as saying "My [maternal] grandparents were Nordic German, so apparently I [too] took after them [in appearance]." This would seem to contradict their being Jewish, so I went to look at the page in her memoir, and nowhere on that page, or anywhere in the book, does Channing talk about her maternal grandparents. Page 50 is part of a several-page sequence in which she reflects upon her first husband's Jewish family (through whom she learned some Yiddish and a lot about Judaism) as well as reflections on Jewish history and culture shared to her by the family and several Jewish friends from showbiz. Seeing that this sourcing error had been made, I went to check the other source that talks about her "[maternal] grandparents," a Chicago Tribune article. That article, "At 82, Channing still in step," actually reads "My [paternal] grandparents were Nordic German." I confirmed this via consulting both the Google-able Web version of the article and a version that I found via Proquest. I guess someone editing this page, at some point, took the liberty of changing the brackets, which is not in keeping with the spirit of citation. However, it solved the contradiction of her maternal grandparents' background.

However, I now needed a replacement source for the grandparents' being Jews, and went scouring the Web. Most of Channing's obituaries make mention of this, but many of them specifically cite Wikipedia on the matter, so no dice. Finally, I found two remembrances that said that Channing had discovered late in life that her grandparents, whose background she had not known before, had, indeed, been Jewish (and thus her mother had been, too, though as we know she became an adherent of Christian Science alongside Channing's father and raised her daughter in that faith). One of them (the People obituary) cites the 2012 documentary about her life, Carol Channing: Larger Than Life, in support of this fact. The other is a heartfelt remembrance by a Jewish Daily Forward columnist who was a dear friend, and both sources refer to Channing saying about her discovery, “I must have the greatest genes in show biz.” So now we have proper sources regarding the details of this remarkable woman's heritage. I have inserted those sources in lieu of the erroneous citation from her memoir, and I have also cut the last line of that Chicago Tribune quote, because as it stands on this page ("[maternal]") it does not reflect either what the Tribune article says or the most current facts about her background, but as it stands in the article ("[paternal]") it doesn't reflect the truth either: her father's father was indeed a German man, but her father's mother, as we know, was Black. (Perhaps the writer messed up in writing [paternal], and Channing herself did not know for sure that her [maternal] grandparents were German Jews and not "Nordic German" in 2003?) The truncated quote as it now stands sidesteps that quandary and continues to provide reflection on Channing's part about her father's background.

Please note that I have only removed a line that was misquoted, for clarity, and added two proper sources in replacement of an erroneous source. Yorbalindasmile (talk) 05:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Yorbalindasmile! I'm a little confused about your intent. You removed the reference for the bio, but it's used in three or four different places in the article. That left an error in the article about the reference being undefined. I've replaced the definition so those remaining references work again. But maybe you meant to delete (and replace) all of the uses of this reference, not just the one you deleted? -- Mikeblas (talk) 02:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for replacing the remaining references. Yorbalindasmile (talk) 03:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not familiar with Wikipedia reliable citation practices, but genealogical research on Carol's mother's family shows no evidence of Jewish roots and many generations of German ancestors baptized and married in church. 2601:197:800:DD90:61D3:543:A575:457F (talk) 05:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The information on Channing's heritage is cited from published reliable sources. You changed a statement in the article that is sourced without any published reliable sources to back it up. And asserting some type of genealogical research isn't enough...Wikipedia needs published information from reliable sources. Shearonink (talk) 05:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Father changing his name[edit]

What's the reason for her father changing his name? It's just says he changed if for "religious reasons." Such as? What was the reason? 2600:1700:BC01:9B0:544F:E012:2320:EFE4 (talk) 19:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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