Talk:Saharon Shelah

Hebrew letters

I suspect that Shelah's first name is given wrong in the article. According to the Jerusalem University staff database it is שהרן, not סהרון. -- EJ 12:51, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This is corrected now.שהרן שלח is correct. The first name starts with a "sin", the family name with a "shin". 128.6.62.128 15:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

ZFC

What's ZFC? Cryptic Abbreviations are bad according to the LMNOQ Standards body.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.55.39 (talk • contribs) 22:30, June 29, 2006 (UTC)

Good point; it is now expanded as "Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory, with the axiom of choice". -- Avi 03:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

"See also"

I removed Bartel Leendert van der Waerden from "see also": the van der Vaerden article says nothing about Shelah. Also, the article text already links to "van der Waerden's numbers V(C,N)". If there are more connections between the two, please write in the article. Mukadderat 19:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ratosh and family -- sources

Shelah wrote an article in the newspaper Ha'aretz. At the end of the article it says:

פרופ' שהרן שלח מן האוניברסיטה העברית בירושלים, בנו של יונתן רטוש, הוא חתן פרס וולף למתימטיקה לשנת 2001 וחתן פרס ישראל

(emphasis added), which means

Professor Saharon Shelah from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, son of Yonathan Ratosh, ...

However, I do not know any published sources that mention his wife or children, except for the occasional dedication: For example <original research> his book Cardinal arithmetic is dedicated to his wife Yael, and his Proper and improper forcing is dedicated to his son Omri.</original research>

--Aleph4 13:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I can read the Hebrew (Wolf prize in 2001 etc.) Thanks, I'll add it to the article. If you can get me the ISBN of the work in which he thanks his wife and kids, that should be enough. Thanks! -- Avi 13:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It also mentions his wife Yael by name as well, so that is supported. -- Avi 13:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The two books I mentioned are:

1. Cardinal Arithmetic, 1994: ISBN 0-19-853785-9
2. Proper and Improper Forcing, 1998: ISBN 3-540-51700-6

--Aleph4 14:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've sourced Yael to the news article, and I cannot find the P&IF book excerpts on the web, so I cannot verify that. I'll look around some more. I did infobox the article properly, though. -- Avi 14:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

A gyerekei mivel foglalkoznak? A nagyobbik fiam zeneelméletet tanul, a lányom történelmet, a kisebbik fiam pedig biológiát.

What are your children doing? My oldest son is learning the theory of music, my daughter history, my youngest son biology.

Harc a matematikával és a titkárnőkkel (Fighting mathematics and secretaries. Interview with S.S. Magyar Tudomany (Hungarian Science, the monthly of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, 2003, March) Kope 19:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Religion - source

The infobox claims that Shelah's ethnicity and religion are both Jewish. I doubt that you can find a source for the claim that Shelah's religion is Jewish, or that he has any religion at all. Our article Yonatan Ratosh says that Ratosh wanted

to divorce [himself] from [his] Jewish roots and embrace a new identity a "Hebrew"

which suggest that also his son Saharon Shelah was raised as a "Hebrew" rather than a "Jew". --Aleph4 15:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I now removed "Judaism". (I know that Shalah is explicitly non-religious, but I doubt that I can find a reference for this. So I did not put Atheist there instead, which seems to be controversial anyway.) Brontosaurus 22:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Students

The heading is notable students, i.e. those with wikipedia articles. -- Avi (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wiki markup for citation "Memoirs of a Son" is screwed up

I'd fix it myself, but I'm worried about accidentally doing something wrong to the Hebrew, which I can't read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.191.151.139 (talk) 09:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's corrected now. -- Avi (talk) 13:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture

I replaced the 2008 picture with the 2005 picture. The older picture shows Shelah in his office at work (and quite happy); the newer one shows him posing for a picture. I think the older picture is better for the article. --Aleph4 (talk) 23:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Saharon Shelah/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: RecycledPixels (talk · contribs) 20:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I will take a look at this nomination. Before getting too deep into it, I have a question for the nominator; what is your connection to this article? At a glance, it does not appear that you have ever made any edits to the article other than nominating it for GA, and you have only 17 edits on that account spanning two days of activity. Is this a new account? Are there other significant contributors to this article who agree that this should be nominated and will participate in the GA review if needed? RecycledPixels (talk) 20:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Lead section needs to more completely summarize the article, including what makes him notable, not just that he's a professor of mathematics. Some extremely brief paragraphs in the biography section need to be combined, rewritten, edited.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Not all references are properly cited, some bare URLs. Numerous citation needed tags in the article. Significant close paraphrasing issues from [1]. Unable to determine OR with as many citation needed tags present.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Article covers brief personal biography and academic career.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Information is neutrally presented.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Recent citation needed tags added to the article indicate disputes with the article's content.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   One image, credibly tagged with CC license, brief caption included. No issues there.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Article needs considerable work before meeting the GA standards. Given the fact that the nominator is a very new contributor who only had a few contributions over the course of two days, none to this article, and the fact that this article has not received any significant editing in the past year, I am not convinced that this was a terribly serious nomination, but I have reviewed it for those who are interested. RecycledPixels (talk) 16:10, 17 September 2019 (UTC)