Talk:Twm Siôn Cati

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The historical Twm[edit]

Twm was a cousin of John Dee the astrologer, and Dee records Twm's birth in his diary. The two met on at least one occasion while Twm was droving cattle.

After his return from Geneva, Twm settled down and gained renown as a poet and a genealogist, and served as a magistrate and as mayor of Brecon.

Some good info on http://www.rhandirmwyn.net/twmsioncati/story.htm, more in the booklet mentioned on that page which needs incorporating into this article. Gwyddno (talk) 12:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Source for the arrow through the clothes story?[edit]

I have substantially added to this article. Two things which I have not kept are the sentence Most notably, he was said to have avoided harming an enemy by shooting him with an arrow that merely pinned his clothes to his saddle. and the link to [1]

Whilst I do understand that Twm Sion Cati is the subject of oral tradition and folktale, I can find no other (written) reference to this story beyond that URL, which gives no sources, not even "it is said" sort.

One other source I found which is worth reading Ystradffin: a descriptive poem with an appendix -- skim right to the end of it and read the notes on pages 183 and on. I couldn't find a way to work that into the article, but it's nice corroboration of multiple versions of tales circulating in the area in the 1820s.

--Telsa 18:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Names[edit]

I have no idea how relevant it is, but the dates given for TSC are half a century after the Act of Union which started the process of getting the Welsh to take surnames. I just thought it was interesting and I don't know enough to know whether Twm's name actually counted as a proper surname. --Telsa 18:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The short answer is 'no'. The longer answer is that, as stated in the text, he was named Thomas (Twm) and his father's surnmae was Jones ((ap) Siôn). As he was brought up by his mother (Cati - Catherine) it would have made sense to identify him as her son rather than as his father's. Gwyddno (talk) 12:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1960s BBC schools music programmes[edit]

I remember when I was at primary school in England (which would put it somewhere in the years just preceding 1970) we were taught music with the aid of a TV? radio? series about TSC: stories and songs to sing and play along with. It may have been part of the "Let's Make Music" series, though I'm not sure. If I manage to find any accurate information about this, would it be a welcome addition to the page? Kay Dekker 19:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced and spurious claim[edit]

The article states "It is also common practice in rural Wales, being traditionally a matriarchal society, for children with common names to be nicknamed after their mothers. Thus he became known as Twm Siôn Cati." This has no basis in fact, and it should be noted that Welsh names were originally patronymic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.201.204 (talk) 22:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Until there is reason to doubt the above, there is surely no harm in dropping the 'matriarchy' explanation in favour of a more mundane one. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 05:58, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dates[edit]

The dates in the main body make no sense at all. He certainly was not born in 1930. Mongoletsi (talk) 15:36, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tangible Twm tone[edit]

This reads exactly how it is; copied directly from marketing material. Mongoletsi (talk) 21:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]