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Barbados production levels

There have been recent attempts to list Barbados as a (if not "the") major world-wide producer of rum ([1] and [2]). In 2010, Barbados exported ~US$28.5 million worth of rum.[3] While Barbados clearly has some well known rum distilleries, when you compare the island's level of production to J. Wray and Nephew Ltd. (€145 million during first 9 months of 2013.[4]) or House of Angostura (TT$275.7 million in after tax profit for 2013[5]) it is clear that Barbados is a relatively small player even before we look into major distilling corporations such as Bacardi or Beam Suntory. Given that Barbado's annual level of rum exports is roughly 10% that of just one Jamaican distiller, attempts to list the island separate from the rest of the Caribbean (not to mention as the first place on the list) is just not justified by the amount of rum produced on the island. --Allen3 ^talk 03:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC) It is, however, justified by the quality and unique character of Barbados rum. Every rum aficionado knows Richard Seale and the Four Square distillery, because he is known to supply honest, unadulterated, pure rum (unlike said Baccardi or Suntory who care mostly only about profits). Barbados rum, just like Jamaican or Demerara rum simply represent a well-established and known styles you cannot omit while trying to explain the different. If volumes were the only thing that mattered, nobody would seek these brands and pay the extra money to procure them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamamura (talk • contribs) 02:05, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

The role played by the Canaries in the world rum industry

The role played by the Canaries in the world rum industry. I think this might help. Komitsuki (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Scottish rum?

I notice that the introduction to this page states that rum is made in Scotland. If that's true, I'd like this to be sourced, if it is a malicious or mistaken edit, it's time for this to be corrected. Svartalf (talk) 14:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Frankly, that list of "Rum is also produced in" countries is a horrible thing to have in an intro paragraph. A short list of two or three is one thing, a list of NINETEEN countries is nigh-unreadable. - BrainiacBlink (talk) 00:02, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

removal of indian RS

@Serols: why have you removed my sourced information from this article without any perticular reason stated?, please give a valid reason, regards. 175.137.72.188 (talk) 19:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

a drink Shidhu which is Fermented and distilled sugarcane juice with dhataki flowers ( Woodfordia jruticosa) is mentioned in early sanskrit texts,.an indian physician, Vaghbhata, slightly later, advises a man to drink unvitiated liquor like rum and wine, and mead mixed with mango juice ‘together with friends’.

Hello 175.137.72.188, see my talk-page. Regards --Serols (talk) 19:36, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

hi, @Serols:, is this version acceptable to you, regards. 175.137.72.188 (talk) 06:59, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

A drink called Shidhu which was a fermented and distilled Sugarcane juice with Dhataki flowers ( Woodfordia jruticosa) is mentioned in early Sanskrit texts. An Indian physician, Vaghbhata, slightly later, advises a man to drink unvitiated liquor like Rum, wine and mead mixed with Mango juice ‘together with friends’.

hi, please discuss if this version is okay or not, please dont remove my RS without discussion. 175.137.72.188 (talk) 10:26, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

@Samsara:@C.Fred:— Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.137.72.188 (talk • contribs)

• Problem: I have WP:revdeled a bunch of contributions in the article and on this page because they contained a link to a pirated work. Just because something is on Archive.org and just because someone slaps a Creative Commons label doesn't mean that they actually have the right to do so. The work is still under copyright by Oxford University Press, so the Archive link is technically illegal. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

i can understand where this is going, regards. 175.137.72.188 (talk) 14:37, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the pings. I'm basically happy with the way I've been able to rephrase it, omitting those parts over which there was uncertainty. I'll leave it as a point for discussion whether an "according to" is needed here as we have only a single source and the translation of the word "rum" almost 1000 years prior to its first attestation in English seems tentative. Samsara 15:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

We can't read too much into the translation. On the one hand, "rum" might have been the handiest term the translator had for a liquor. On the other hand, if the translator were familiar with the Indian drink, then rum might have been what the translator felt the drink most resembled. The problem, of course is we're reading into the translation, and synthesis is to be avoided—and might be a sign we need an "according to" clause. —C.Fred (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

hi, Samsara, can you please consider that on page 60, the author also mentions a direct reference to a german translation of Vagbhata's work before considering to add according to, because for cypress account, we have to rely on the author for the the word 'rum', and there is no mention of the reference itself, neither description of the drink, but in this case, the direct book of Vagbhata has been cited, secondly, the drink Shidhu is also described as a fermented and distilled drink made form sugarcane juice, which again has also been cited directly from the texts, which seems to meet the criteria of rum., i do understand that rum word obviously has later origins, but the author is indeed using a direct quotation from a german translation of a sanskrit work, shouldn't give more credibility to the word 'Rum' used here, regards.

References

Rum etymology from 'saccharum'?

Saccharum (New Latin) is the genus of tall perennial plants (specifically sugarcane), which is used to produced "rum". Savvyjack23 (talk) 04:32, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok I can see it was discussed in removed and reversal changes (here) and ultimately an unexplained removed from the article (here). The known argument(s) were:

"Sugar itself was never used to make rum, and "it was not until the eighteenth century that Linnaeus gave sugarcane the scientific name of Saccharum officinarum" according to Ian Williams (source: Rum, A Social and Sociable History, Ian Williams, 2005)" --Sismiquededans

"Besides being sourced, the removal is based on 2 faulty premises: firstly, "saccharum" is not just the scientific name, but the actual Latin word for sugar; secondly, no one said its explicitly made from sugar." --Oknazevad

Will investigate further. Savvyjack23 (talk) 05:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

"Association with piracy"

 "The beverage has famous associations with the Royal Navy (where it was mixed with water or beer to make grog) and piracy (where it was consumed as bumbo)."

I call BS. "Piracy" is a name for a type of crime, not a mythical cultural group of men who wear eye patches and silk sashes and go a-swashbuckling o'er the Seven Seas. A pirate is any vessel that steals another vessel or the cargo by force on the high seas. Most people guilty of piracy were indistinguishable from any other vessel, and most of them only turned to piracy in moments of opportunity when nobody was looking. They were just normal merchant ships the rest of the time. The most common type of pirate, today and historically, is small boats that sally out to raid offshore vessels, typically in Africa and Asia. Do they drink rum by choice and wear peg legs? Rum may be associated with a specific TYPE of pirate (i.e. European pirates based in the Caribbean or privateer crews on the Spanish Main), but not "piracy" in general, except as the modern mythological swashbuckling, black-sailed, eye-patched "pirate" out of POTC. So rum is associated with what people PERCEIVE to have been piracy. If many regular pirates drank a lot of rum, it is not surprising as it was an almost universal drink among seafaring men in that era. Since pirates were just merchant crews and man-o-war seamen who were shipping with a captain who didn't mind a little unauthorized privateering, it would be astonishing if the drank anything ELSE. And of course most high-seas "pirating" exploits were actually born from privateers working the Spanish gold ships. In any case, there was no group of people called "pirates" who dressed and acted a certain way, and drank "bumbo" as a group.

64.223.166.179 (talk) 21:41, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

'American countries'

Not a widely used or readily understood formulation. If we mean South, Central and North America, the usual phrase would be "the Americas." – Sca (talk) 15:13, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

A rum do

In Etymology, we might sneak in mention of the old British English phrase "a rum do", meaning a poorly executed or distasteful event or situation. – Sca (talk) 15:22, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

PS: And then there's the song. – Sca (talk) 15:48, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

No rum on Swedish ship Wasa

It is stated that a bottle of rum was found on Swedish naval ship Wasa that sank in Stockholm in 1628. We now know that this is wrong. It turns out the sprit was made from distilled wine. https://spiritsnews.se/vasa-1628-story/ BlueMilkMaking (talk) 08:30, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Reference/Citation Cleanup

I have just completed a phase of cleanup for existing references/citations. There is obviously more to do, but alas, I am done for now. —¿philoserf? (talk) 23:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Jamaican rum/Rum, adequacy?

we have some links to Jamaican rum (Jamaican Rum). Is it clearly identifiable concept? Estopedist1 (talk) 08:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Regional spelling choice

This article has an inconsistent mix of "color", "colour", "mechanised", "utilized", "flavor", and "flavour" (MOS:CONSISTENT). Choosing a national English variety is a bit tricky, since rum is made around the world and has a very international history, so MOS:TIES doesn't provide clear guidance. However, the Caribbean plays a large role in the historical and present-day rum industry, and Jamaica is the world's largest rum producer, so I'll suggest Jamaican English as a starting proposal, but I'm not emotionally invested in any particular outcome.-Ich (talk) 12:59, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Appleton rum pictured is not a product of Barbados.This is strictly a Jamaican product so give that country the credit. Thanks

That Rum pictured is Jamaican rum so why is Barbados getting the credit. 71.46.236.251 (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC)